White Horses:

[Pat Mefferd]

I'll start a new thread here. Looking for names of White horses of any breed, along with their stud book information, including owners. Also looking for colored horses who have produced white foals.

I refer to Jorge Martinez's TB list, so I think thats pretty complete.

Thanks mucho!

Pat
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[dee of CA]

[Pat Mefferd]

Dee...Looking forward to the list. Pat
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[summerhorse]

Here is a Paint and TB farm that has some white TBs on their sale page: http://home.wmis.net/~jntyler/

And their 2000 colt on their sale page (not updated regularly I guess) Chet D T just sired a white TB filly out of a black sabino TB mare. http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum/showthread.php?t=57206

And of course Painted Desert farm has a gazillion now it seems!
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[Pat Mefferd]

Thanks Summerhorse! Pat
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[ArabFan]

Hey Pat, speaking of white TBs I don't know if you've already read this, but there's a book from the 1960's titled "A Sound of Horses" by David Alexander. Entertaining reading all around...including an interesting bit on White Beauty and War Colors, the first white TBs born (well, War Colors freckeled out and was registered as a roan...) which is the first place I read about the white tbs.

Plus, it's a very well-written and (as I said before) entertaining book, with quite a lot about Kelso, who was hot hot hot then, but now seems to be somewhat forgotten...probably cos he was a gelding

[Pat Mefferd]

Yes....I have the book. Found both "A Sound of Horses" (1966) David Alexander and "The Life and Times of Sir Archie" by Blanchard and Wellman (1958) at a yard sale years ago...paid .25 cents each...not too shabby! I've certainly gotten my money's worth out of these! Pat
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[summerhorse]

Here's another white TWH. Not sure if he's a sabino or a tovero as I don't know what color his dam was. Sire is sabino. http://www.cjswalkerswyoming.com/MerrysSolidPlatinum.htm
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[Pat Mefferd]

Thanks Summerhorse...Great lead and an intersting one also. Pat
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[summerhorse]

Don't forget the infamous Artic Spamalot who is a max. white tovero pintaloosa (sabino not frame). His sire is a chestnut with white sabino (but no body markings) Arabian and his dam is by a pintaloosa (at least tobiano and app blanket) and out of a reg. sabino TWH. His dam is um, peculiar looking. Unfortunately the owner doesn't know any more about the unknown side of the dam's pedigree and apparently nobody bothered to even ask until it is too late. (spent a lot of time emailing her) But he's still a stallion!!

Anyway he has sired out of solid mares tobiano, blankets, pintaloosas (there is one pictured, tob. and snowflake roan), and regular solid sabinos. Haven't seen any roany type sabinos although they are in his immediate background. No max. whites yet (kind of blows that nonexistent dominant white theory! 50% of those foals should be white but so far I don't think he has sired a single white). I don't even know what his base color is! Probably bay just going by his foals and his parents. (and Ee) He does have some white sisters the last I heard but couldn't get their owner's name/address to inquire about them. =(

So under all that white he probably has a blanket pattern and tobiano and it is all covered up by the combination of sabino and tobiano white.

http://www.shoc.org/Spamalot.html
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[Pat Mefferd]

Hi Summerhorse...

I just wrote an answer to you, hit the wrong button and lost it all...

Yes, I have been in contact with the lady who owns ARTIC Spamalot.

To date, I have not seen a picture of his dam BLUE BONNET, I understand she was not considered "too attractive" by former owners. I'm not even sure if Wanda owned the mare and was the breeder of ARTIC Spamalot, something I haven't yet gotten around to checking on.

I've been so busy with entering all the white horses that I'm learning about into my data base...I haven't really researched more on BLUE BONNET. She is referred to as a blue roan and I understand that she was from a prominent Tennessee Walking horse line...the "Ebony" line.

We both know BLUE BONNET has to have had one parent with Appaloosa lineage. When she was referred to as "not very attractive"...I don't know who originally said it and I'm not sure if they were talking about her conformation or her color or both. There is also some evidence that BLUE BONNET and ARTIC Spamalot carry the dreaded GG.

From the website:

"Spamalot has sired a uniquely (and ever-changing) colored Pinto out of a tobiano Anglo-Arabian mare and an Appaloosa colt out of an Ansata pure black Arabian mare. Spamalot may produce pure white foals as well as colored foals".

Back to his dam...If a MINIMUM of 50% comes from the dam, and when viewing the photo's of ARTIC Spamalot....he is a handsome horse, and I don't see any "ugly" in those photos.

An interesting pedigree, as far as it goes for now.

Pat
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[Pat Mefferd]

Summerhorse and others (of course). What I find interesting thus far, is that the White Horse Ranch seems to be the only place where the "White Horse" was bred on a fairly "grand scale". I understand that at one time they had as many as 170 white horses. Of course their numers today are much lower.

There were other large breeders of white horses, but their herds seemed not to match, in size, to that of the WHR. Many crossed out to the Arabian, Quarter Horse, Saddlebred, Walker, Thoroughbreds, etc.

Even though the white horse can and has been used in just about every thing from halter to plowing the fields...whites were and are, most popular as an exhibition type horse (movies, TV, parades, circus, wild west shows, performing troups, etc.). The reason being is because of their "uniqueness and rarity" and of course, white is not what most "working cowboy" wanted to ride...due to the chance of sunburn and old "wives tale" about the white hoof not being as strong as the dark hoof.

One more observation. Even though I have a lot of pedigree's to research regarding white horses...I am not seeing any KNOWN lines to the Appaloosa.

And to think my search for "White Horse" all started with a very early day CRHA (Colorado Ranger Horse Assn), who's sire was a registered American Albino. That particular CRHA horse by the way did not carry any known lines to the Appaloosa either....however this particular horse will appear in pedigree's when crossed with Appaloosa's who were CRHA and/or ApHC, ApHCC. One must remember the CRHA is not a color breed, even thought the majority of the CRHA horses these days, are of Appaloosa pedigree...only one horse in a pedigree needs to be traced to the CRHA horse, no matter how far back they go, 5th, 6th, 7th generation, etc.

Pat
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Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
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[summerhorse]

I did have a picture of Blue Bonnet (not a good one, just a head and part of her body). It may be on my computer at home, I lost it at work when my computer died. I had some of his foals too. Blue Bonnet had to carry tobiano, appy (Lp roan + blanket) and probably sabino from her dam too as she was um, def. not attractive! (but I think it is as much from her peculiar color as her actual conformation) her dam I believe was not tobiano but just sabino from my dim memory. Had some of his foals too but alas I know their pics are gone! He had another tobiano from a solid mare. he's a beauty though but really looks nothing like Mom or Dad, guess he's a true blend!

Edit: that should say she was not attractive but not because she carried all those genes LOL, just that she was well, unattractive! But her odd coloring certainly didn't help her much.
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[Pat Mefferd]

Summerhorse...Lets hope you have it on you computer at home. Do you remember where you found the picture in the first place? Pat
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Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
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[summerhorse]

The lady that owns him sent it to me. I'll write myself a note to see if it is still there, I just forgot last night.
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