BARONS MISTY TWIST....

[GIDEEUPGRL]

OK GANG, LETS HEAR IT!

What do you think of her pedigree?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/barons+misty+twist
Her confirmation?
Would you breed her and if so with what bloodline?

(when i first got her, little underweight)

[JR]

I'm really really big on necks, and honestly, this mare doesn't have the nicest neck in the world. It's thick and blocky both at the shoulder where it ties in and at the jowl.

Her front half and back half look like they belong to two different horses. Neither is terrible, they just don't go together on the same horse. The angles don't quite match up. She does have decent back legs, not post legged, not sickle hocked, not camped under or parked out.. very nicely set. The front legs bother me and I can't place why. Set too far in front of her, too small compared to the shoulder size.. maybe toes out, beginning of being calf kneed.. small hooves ? maybe (not all of them, but something)

Overall, she's an average horse. Nothing wonderful up close in her pedigree. No one in her first 3 gens has done anything worthwhile. I wouldn't kick her out of my barn, I'm sure she's a lovely riding horse, fun time horse. She has a kind look to her face, I'd buy her for my son to ride, but I wouldn't breed her because she is only average and only the best of the best should be bred IMO.
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[GIDEEUPGRL]

Do you think I should get better angle shots? like directly in front? etc.

I had a highly recommended lameness vet (Seth Kaplow)check her out. He said she was one of the nices built quarter horse mares he had seen in a while. She has a slight turn inward on the front left. His main concern, she is overweight and has less mucsle then he would like to see. Do you think she is overweight? which pic does she look healthier/better in - the first pic or the 3rd one? When she trots, she is super extended, way out, plus she'd rather trot fast, but we are working on that. This is fun!! Lets just say I were to breed her, what would you recommend?

[GIDEEUPGRL]

do these help?

[JR]

Ok, here's what I was basing things on in the first round because it was the only picture close enough to show much conformation wise



She has a short neck, or moreso she just ties in thick. I think she's in good weight for her build.

Now that you've blown up the first picture I am seeing this other stuff.



The blue lines show where her angles cross, the pink circle shows where they would in a perfect world. In this picture, I still have issues with her neck, it's upside down per say. Does she perhaps crib ? Her withers are high, she's built uphill. In this picture, I don't have any probs with the way she's standing in the front. I'm wondering now if maybe your farrier has changed between this picture and the one above ?

You seem to have your mind made up about breeding her anyway, so the real question is.. what do YOU want in a foal ? What discipline do you ride, what does your mare excell at. She's got pretty plain / bland pedigree. Are you without doubt keeping this baby forever and ever no matter what.. pregnancy, job loss, moving or do you want something with decent resell value ?
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[JR]

if you're interested in a 100% guaranteed palomino baby, my friend stands a cremello stallion over on the east side of PA, he puts great conformation on his foals and they are all lap dog friendly and smart. Normally supplies lots of chrome too. Many of his foals go on to compete in the State 4H competition as well, so that's an attribute to their conformation as well as temperment
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It's never the horse, it's the rider.
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[GIDEEUPGRL]

No she doesnt crib. Been using the same ferrier, but in the first pic she was due for her trim. I really dont have intentions on breeding her as I know nothing about it. I was just curious, as most people that meet her think she is nice looking and kind and ask if I will breed her. Plus she apparently was being bred to paints. I found 1 baby so far. Dont know if she has any more. I am waiting to have the money avail to join aqha to maybe find out. How do you determine where to start the angles for confirmation on you drawings? is there a book I can read about looking for confirmation? Thanks.

[Dawn]

The topside of her pedigree is mostly old speed and rope horse breeding. The bottom side is again mostly speed with some Wiescamp breeding. She herself appears to be more "speed" looking than anything else.

Don't know what you would breed her to, I think that depends more on what you would want from the resulting foal. Breeding has become so specialized these days that it may be tough to breed a commercial type of foal out of this mare. Her conformation and breeding suggests to me that you might be able to get a HUS or Barrel Racing horse out of her if you were to breed her to a commercially viable (pedigree, show and produce record) stallion in either of those disciplines. I would look for conformation that would improve her's and go for pedigree, show and produce record. You want a stallion that has thrown a number of good offspring from moderate mares (mares with no produce/show record and mares with non-commercial pedigrees). These can be hard to find, but these stallions are out there.

Overall, her conformation is not terribly bad, but I tend to agree with JR as far as overall balance and flaws listed. In my opinion in the last recent photo (posted Wed, Dec. 27), she appears a little too thin, her ribs, hip and backbone are noticeable.

Good luck

[GIDEEUPGRL]

Yes, the last photo posted was when i first got her. pics earlier in the post are more recent and at the 2nd farm we moved to becuase she wasnt getting fed properly. It was the best side view pic i could find, but now that my bf bought me a new swanky camera for xmas i can take better pics!!!

[tazzy207]

its really hard to be completely honest without sounding rude, but here goes, shes definitely not the nices QH mare ive seen..like JR said, shes just average, nothing too exciting, JR is right, her angles are wrong, she is very mis-proportioned, parts of her body are thick, and some are thin, shes a littl lean, could definitely use some toning up, she looks rough. her front legs are set back pretty far, she probably has major strain on her tendons the way her feet are bring trimmed, but only on the front, the hind feet are fine. not too crazy about her hip, shes got a high wither and a short back, and she has a high set croup. Im really sorry if i sound a bit harsh.

[GIDEEUPGRL]

its cool. it's funny how you get different opinion. Horse breeders/show people around here say her back is long and she is high in the rear not the withers. the pics are not in sequence. in my very first post, the bottom 3 pics are the most recent.

[tazzy207]

Well it's hard to judge some of th pictures cuz in some it looks like she has a short back, and in the first one her back looks long...but her withers are definitely higher than her rump without a doubt