foal dies in 26 hours

kokopelli farm · Weanling Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5

A foal born solid white with blue eyes. It lived for 26 hrs. The mare was letting it nurse and all seemed well. Her last three foals have all died within the same time period. Two of them solid white with the blue eyes and one albino with pink eyes. The other mares the stud has breed have had no problems with their foals. I have noticed the foals that have died all seem to roll a little more then the others. Has anyone ever had this happen or know what could cause this.

dctrainingandlessons · Very Active Member Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 548

Could this be lethal white?? What color are the mom and dad?

EAhola · Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 152 Location: Colorado

No way of knowing without you taking the corpse to the vet.

But -- why are you breeding this poor mare. Poor thing. You must get her a baby of her own. If she hasn't dried up yet -- she if there are any orphan foals around. Call the vets and get the word out.
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Bondama · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject:

It does sound like lethal white. And I agree, get her an orphan. I also would NOT breed her ever again. Three for three should be enough for you to get it.
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NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject:

Instead of not breeding her again, why not cough up the money to get her tested for lethal white, and if positive, make sure that she never gets bred to a stud that is also positive for lethal white or has an unknown status? Seems to me that would have been the smart thing to do, at least no later than after the death of the first foal.

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pfrsue · 2 Year Old Joined: 06 Mar 2007 Posts: 30

Agreed. This is textbook for lethal white. The only thing that really surprises me is that this has been allowed to happen four times in a row! Lethal white is a very well established danger.

dqh · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject:

As everyone said...sounds like lethal white.

Testing is cheap compared to breeding costs and losing foals.
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JR · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject:

Very sorry about the loss of the foal, but there is no such thing as an albino horse. The albanism gene is not carried in any horse. It may well be lethal white if the mare is a frame overo paint and the stallion she's bred to is also frame overo paint and they're positive for the OLWS

There are too many people, vets included, that confuse lethal white with cremellos and perlinos and wrongly put those foals down to "end their suffering" before it happens. I'm not too up on OLWS as I've not dealt with breeding paints, but from what I've heard they have normal colored eyes, not blue ones. What is the mare's breeding and why wasn't she tested after the loss of the first foal ?

** I stand corrected, just did a quick search and OLWS foals do have blue eyes.
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NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject:

Not just paints--apparently LW is also in TBs. I WAS FRAMED, a Racey Remarque-bred stallion now in Ireland, has tested positive for OLWS, if I have read the newsblurb correctly. http://www.westdownstudandequestrian.co.uk/news.htm

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kokopelli farm · Weanling Joined: 10 Mar 2007 Posts: 5

Thanks for the help. the stud is a paint, the mare a strawberry roan quarter horse. I dont know much more about them, I dont own them or breed them. Just trying to help out the one that does.

dctrainingandlessons · Very Active Member Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 548

Why hasn't this person gone ahead with talking to a vet about this?!?? I mean, one foal dies, yeah, it's sad but maybe it was just meant to be, several foals die and that's just plain sick on the part of the mare owner. IF a vet had been called I'm certain that lethal white would have been the answer the vet gave and this person's friend wouldn't need to be on the net asking for advice... Sorry, but what a moron, really. You'd think after the first couple a light would come on upstairs, but apparently not, just keep on producing babies with a death sentance, and taking them away from a mare who must desperately want to be a mother at this point. I'm sorry, I am just sickened by some people who call themselves breeders. No wonder there are rescue and slaughter issues in this country, with unhorseeducated people running around breeding just anything and continueing despite foals dying. It's just plain sick.

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Turn N Burn · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject:

okay, JR and NZ, please help me out a little here!! what is OWLS?? i am assuming that the LWS is Lethal White Syndrom but what does the 'O' stand for??
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JR · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:

Overo Lethal White Syndrome.
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Turn N Burn · Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject:

, oh i see!! thanks alot JR! ur a great help! i discovered that after i posted and after i read that article!! maybe i should do that before i post!! lol!!! Embarassed

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