Who is the racing Appaloosa with highest % of TB blood?

Jorge · 2 Year Old Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 30

Who is the most talented racing Appaloosa with the highest percentage of TB blood ever produced? Is there a photo of such a case?
Thanks in advance for your answers,

Jorge · 2 Year Old Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 30

In order to broaden the pool of participants I informed our viewers on the Thoroughbred side of this site about this query at:

http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15611

JR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:13 am Post subject:

Not sure if he's the highest % of TB, but the stallion I Love Willie has a heap of TB in him. I think he's also a few spot which would make him homozygous for appaloosa coloring **after further research, I take back that comment about the few spot thing.. he's just faded LOL**

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NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject:

I Love Willie is a grey. Additionally, his dam is a TB, so he cannot have a double dose of LP, which is what creates the fewspot pattern.

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JR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:40 pm Post subject:

yeah, you'll notice that I changed that before you posted. Thanks for the info though
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NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 3:43 pm Post subject:

That's okay--I had to change my post, too, since I started typing before I saw the photo <G> That must have been when you were changing yours. LOL

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JR · Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:

hehe I went back to look some more and found this picture

and it was under the works I Love Willie More .. so there's me thinking it's his son or something. But, it's him in his racing days. So, def. not a few spot LOL
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Jorge · 2 Year Old Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 30

Dear JR & NZ Appaloosas,

Thank you so much for the valuable informatio/photo and comments. I really appreciate your assistance. Quite impressive that racing photo of I Love Willie. Any opinion on the case posted by Sam on the TB side of this query? http://www.pedigreequery.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15611

Thanks again,

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:27 pm Post subject:

Jorge...Excellent topic!

I think one needs to take a look at the more current Race bred Appaloosas...Ed Allred bred a great number of Appaloosas...might take a look at the GENEO JJ foals. I'll hunt for my last race sale catalog. Pat
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject:

Well I just thought of this stallion, who I really don't know how he got registered with the ApHC....I know we've discussed him here before, but Jorge may have missed some of it. Way back, when I posted his pedigree and the information noted on him...

How about UNCLE EVERET? He is 100% Thoroughbred, registered both with the Jockey Club and with the ApHC. Of course I don't know how he got registered ApHC...I think someone had an "in" with someone.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/uncle+everet

I'll check my records on Race Sires...but it is not current.

Pat
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 4:19 pm Post subject:

Missed the part about "talented"...that certainly would not be UNCLE EVERET...he was a dud all the way around.
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Jorge · 2 Year Old Joined: 08 Aug 2005 Posts: 30

NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:45 pm Post subject:

He's a 1971 model--wasn't the ApHC still registering horses that "looked" appaloosa? Is it possible that he had so much sabino ticking that someone mistook it for appaloosa patterning?

Diane, who has never seen a photo of Uncle Everet.
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject:

Diane...I have a picture of him in an ad in the AN. Its really hard to tell...he looked roan and maybe with some dapples (I'm going by memory)...and his description per the ApHC was Red roan/white over loin/hips. He had to have at least two of the following, white sclera, mottled skin and/or stripped hooves. He was regsitered as a roan by the JC.

He only got 8 foals...all had ApHC #'s, out of ApHC mares...but I think folks were just not impressed too much.

Pat
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 11:28 am Post subject:

Jorge…Per your request:

The following four Appaloosa Stallions, which are ¾ or more Thoroughbred, who have good solid race records and have been on the ApHC Leading Sire of Race for numerous years. In the early 1970s there were no Speed Index or Ratings, no ROMs…Medallions were the “big” thing.

DEEP SOUTH - 1972 Appaloosa Stallion:

¾ Thoroughbred (5th generation has 24 registered TB’s, possibly more as 3rd dam was the Bernard Yellow Mare, a Polo mare, said to be of TB blood per her owners. My research indicates her sire was registered in the Jockey Club.

SW, 7 Wins, $36,259 (12 starts, 7 wins, 4 seconds, 0 thirds)
Champion Race Stallion & 2 Yr Race Colt 1974
Champion 3 Yr Race Colt 1975
Race Medallion Winner

Race Progeny thru 06/26/07: 144 ApHC foals, 150 starters, 69 winners, 19 stakes winners, 33 stakes placed…LTE $899,665.20 (average per starter $5998.); 33 ROM Race Qualifiers; 13 Race Medallion Winners; 2 Supreme Race Champions; 5 Race Champions; 3 Regional Race Champions. (Cents have been rounded off to nearest dollar).

Deep South first appeared on the ApHC Leading Sires of Race in 1979

TIME FLIES – 1971 Appaloosa Stallion:

¾ Thoroughbred (5th generation has 24 registered TB’s, possibly more as 3rd dam was the Bernard Yellow Mare, a Polo mare, said to be of TB blood per her owners. My research indicates her sire was registered in the Jockey Club.

SW, 36 Wins, $97, 250.
Champion Race Horse & Race Stallion 1973
Champion 3 Yr Race Stallion 1974
Race Medallion Winner
Set NWR – SFE 2 ½ F – 27: 1/5; set two NTR’s at Ferndale 3 F & 4 ½ F.
World Wide Derby Winner

Race progeny thru 06/26/07: 191 ApHC foals, 102 starters, 58 winners, 8 stakes winners, 21 stakes placed…LTE $607,447. (average per starter $5955.). Sire of 23 ROM Race Qualifiers, 4 Race Medallion Winners, 2 Race Champions.

Time Flies first appeared on the ApHC Leading Sires of Race in 1979

I LOVE WILLIE – 1983 Appaloosa Stallion:

¾ Thoroughbred (5th generation has 25 registered TB’s)
SW, 9 Wins, $122,285.29
SI – 100 – ROM Race – Race Medallion Winner
Supreme Champion 2 Yr Race Horse 1985
Set one NTR (2F – 21.2/5 at Fresno)

Race progeny thru 06/26/07: 180 ApHC foals, 69 starters, 47 winners, 6 stakes winners, 19 stakes placed…LTE $ 951,141. (average per starter $13,785); sire of 22 ROM Race, 14 Race Medallion Winners, 4 Supreme Race Champions, 9 Race Champions, 6 Regional Race Champions.

I Love Willie first appeared on the ApHC Leading Sires of Race in 1990

GENEO JJ – 1983 Appaloosa Stallion:

¾ Thoroughbred (5th generation has 24 registered TB’s, possibly more, 5th dam said to be TB, may be of TB blood, but not registered)

SW, 8 Wins, $69,206. (22/8-2/4)
SR 106 – ROM Race, Superior Race, Race Medallion Winner
Champion 2 Yr Race Colt 1985
Champion Aged Race Stallion
Set two NTR’s

Race Progeny thru 06/26/07: 183 ApHC foals, 123 starters, 91 winners, 25 stakes winners, 49 stakes placed…LTE $3,224,383. (average per starter $26, 215); 19 ROM Race Qualifiers, 42 Race Medallion Winners, 16 Race Champions, 1 Supreme Race Champion, 32 Regional Race Champions.

Sire of:

FORTY ONE JJ (out of April Forty First JC)…RR: 30/6 – 8 – 8, LTE $66,450; SI 96 ROM Race Qualifier, Race Medallion Winner, Champion 3 Yr Race Colt 1994, Regional Race Champion 1994, etc.

Race Progeny thru 06/26/07: 51 ApHC foals, 16 starters, 8 winners, 3 stakes winners, 4 stakes placed…LTE $169,826 (average per starter $3330.); 8 ROM Race Qualifiers, 5 Race Medallions, 1 Race Champion, 4 Regional Race Champions.

Sire of:

MS JOHNSON (CN563636) a bay solid mare foaled in 1997, out of Hoist The Glory JC. A Stakes Winner with 25 starts 4 wins, 1 second, 4 thirds…LTE $32,460. In her fifth generation she has 29 registered TBs. To date…no foals.

Note: My old friend Bud Shields was given TIME FLIES in his latter years and he passed there. I was able to see him when he was at Barbara and Buds place. Bud also owned MS. JOHNSON.

So I guess this shows the GENEO JJ’s get would be the winner of the “Appalosoa w/most Thoroughbred” in them.

I just don’t have anymore time to run all the foals of the other stallions mentioned. I ran the most important winners…so I would guess that at least FORTY ON JJ would be a good representative. Even though he does not have that many foals…he is still siring a small number each year…nothing reported for 2007 as yet. I’m wondering if there might be a problem with this horse in the breeding shed???

Times have changed for the ApHC race horse since the 1970s and before. I still hold DEEP SOUTH and TIME FLIES as very important contributors and if one were to evaluate the worth of the dollar from then to now...one certainly could not say they were not important as runners and as sires.

I also love...I LOVE WILLIE...he remains on current Leading Sires lists.

Researched & Compiled by Pat
PM MEFFERD Pedigree Research, Cottonwood, Ca.
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