VACCINE Side effects ?

Julene · Weanling Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 1

Has anyone experienced any side affects of WNV from their horses?

ladybelle · Member Joined: 14 Jan 2005 Posts: 115

I've seen a couple of horses that have had reactions to it, but none of mine have had any.

Roguelet · Moderator Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 143 Location: Indiana

We vaccinate all of ours, every year since it's been available (inlcuding the pregnant mares) and we've never had a problem.

dunappy · 2 Year Old Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 46

I do NOT give the Ft dodge brand WNV vaccine because a couple of my horses are already SEVERELY allergic to every other vaccine that Ft dodge puts out.

Hiddenview · Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 98

I've never had any reactions of any kind to any Fort Dodge vaccine, and I give them myself. I also don't overdo the vaccines either. My horses get a booster of Fluvac Innovator 5 in the spring and WNV and that's ALL. Other than the PG mares that get the vaccine for abortion. Think about it, you don't vaccinate your dogs or cats several times a year and people certainly don't get vaccines every year so why should our horses be any different? These people who vaccinate in the spring AND fall PLUS give WNV several times a year are, IMHO, overdoing it severely! I've vaccinated mares, stallions, aged horses, young horses, ponies, drafts, etc with the same vaccines. I also understand that there ARE going to be some horses that have reactions, just like people but there may also be a reason why these horses are having reactions.... Just my two cents worth. ~Michele

dunappy · 2 Year Old Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 46

Hobo and the mule are both severely Allergic to ANY Ft. Dodge vaccine, but NOT to any other brand of vaccine. I do not Normally give them a vaccine every year UNLESS we have to travel to shows and events. They ONLY get the EWT flu faccine and have never recieved the Ft dodge brand WNV vaccine. Hobo has recieved the Merial vaccine this past year but the mule is NOT vaccinated for WNV at all. Hobo and my mule were both vaccineated wtih Ft dodge vacines BEFORE Ft Dodge changed to the new Metastim adjuvant with out a problem. AFTER Ft Dodge changed to the new adjuvant, the reactions began. The reactions were mild and some times not very noticeable with minor swelling near the vaccine injection site. and in later years it became works with extreme swelling extending WAY past the site of injection. However if I switch to a different brands no reactions ans no swelling at all. so not I don't bother at all with anything Ft. dodge puts out.

RA · Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject:

I cant say that we where as lucky as Roguelet and Hiddenview with the Ft Dodge West Nile vaccine.

I should have known better than to use it. I hadnt used any Fort Dodge products in years. For several reasons but heres just a few.
Because of past problems with their vaccines.
Because of their terrible safety record.
Because the worst reaction/complaint record in the history of vaccines. (Mostly sense the original Ft. Dodge company started and owned by vets, was sold to Wyeth pharmsutical.)
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g4602d.htm

Anyway back to the question.
We first vaccinated in the fall of 02. We didnt vaccinate all of our horses.

Group one:

Some had NO West Nile Vaccine. (these had no problems)
Group two:

Some had one dose of the vaccine. (Only one because they had adverse reaction)
Group three:

Some had two doses of the vaccine. (You guessed it we had some who had reactions during round two who didnt have any on round one.)
Group four:

And then. We have one horse on the place. A customer horse. Who by the way was given the serries of 2 doses in the fall of 01, and boostered three times during 02.

Group one: Had no proplems at all. But then again we had'mt injected them with this poison.

Group two: After one dose these horses showed the following different reactions.

Group three: After two doses this some of these horses showd the following reaction.

Then there was group four. Or this one customer mare thats on the place.
This mare never showed any reaction to the vaccine. She has been vaccinated over and over sense, PER/OWNERS request. But keep following this story.

In the spring/summer of 2003 this area was hit really hard with West Nile.

All of our own horse's, plus the one customer mare all on the same place. This customer mare running right along with a group of our own horses.

In 03, this customer mare came down with west nile not once, not twice but three times. As I already mentioned. She was running with a group of our own horses (some who had NO vaccine, some who had recieved one dose, and some who had recieved two dose's) and she is the only one who ever showed any signs/symptoms of West Nile. Odd dont you think? She had a total of 3 WNV boosters in 03.

The spring of 04 lead to another highly hit area of West Nile.

In 04, this customer mare. Still running with a group of our own horses (who had recieved 0-1-2 doses in fall 02 none sense) this mare again came down with West Nile, not once but twice in 04. Once again she had 3 boosters in 04.

This mare remains the ONLY horse on our place to be treated for or ever show symptoms of West Nile.

We will see what the 05 season brings. One thing that's for sure. We wont be vaccinating for West Nile. We will just be sure an have some bannimine handy in case we get one with symptoms.
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I will agree with Hiddenview that people over vaccinate these horses.

Tell me why. Your dog and your horses recieve the same dose of the same product or rabbies. But:
You dog gets a vac., every 2-3 years depending on your state requirements.
And your Horse is supose to get one every year?

Tell me why. You get the same dose of the same product as horse for tetnus, BUT
You get a booster once ever ten years, or when you get a bad cut maybe.
And your horse is prescribed a booster every year?

Tell me why. Horses are prescribed a sleeping sickness booster every year.
When Universities have proven a horse vaccinated its first year of life and not vaccinated again for twenty years. Still has Titers from that first vaccination in their system twenty years later?

Tell me why. Coggins tests are so enforced.
When horses testing positive are not destroyed? They are to be kept confined 300 feet from other horses. Are we to believe flies and othe insects dont travel over 300 feet?
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