Need Color Help - update with pics

storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

Our mare Saydy foaled a filly on the 5th. We are really not sure what color she is. Her dam is a black, her sire is a black roan sabino.
Dont think she got the sabino, she has a blaze and 2 rear socks.
When the vet came out he said he thought she would be a roan.
The stallions first 2 foals where a blue roan paint and what looks like a chestnut (although his legs and belly are white) both from a bay mare.

here is a pic that shows how light she is

and this shows the line she has down her back (i snapped this one just as she collided with momma's butt)

here is a link to an album with lots of pics Smile

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t199/storminthenight/Saydy%20and%20baby/

I thought she kinda looked like a red dun, but i didnt think that was possible?

JR · Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

plain old chestnut / sorrel. Neither of her parents were dun, so she cannot be a red dun. That line down her back is just countershading. I'm not seeing roan, but sometimes that doesn't show up till later. Don't see sabino either.
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storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

ok, thankyou Smile

. I didnt think red dun was possible. I am hoping the vet is right and she will go roan Very Happy

Rebecca Barnet · Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:59 am Post subject: Color Will Slowly Change

I saw your pictures of your pretty baby and have one almost excactly the same coloring. I could have sworn I saw dun shadowing in my colts back legs, and he had pink skin around his eyes and nose and privates, with the shadow line down his but. He also has 4 white hooves but no white hair on his feet, just light cream coloring. His daddy is a brown/bay and momma a sorrel. Don't think I can submit a pic in this reply. His pigment is getting darker and another good friend of mine tells me his hooves will get darker as he gets older. Your baby's 1 back hoof will stay white because of his white ankle. Babies are so much fun.

storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

I just got some pics of this filly today and wanted to give an update . . .

She turned chestnut in the winter . . .

But as her she sheds her winter coat I have started to notice some white hairs growing on her muzzle/chin, mane and tail . . .

Has anyone seen changes like this before? I would love her to be turning roan, but I dont think I'm that lucky, lol.

one okie gal · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:17 am Post subject:

Well, she is a pretty little thing. And only a couple of months younger than Starlet.
Starlet was not the product of a planned breeding. She is proof that I was right and my brother was wrong. Her mother is an appy and she has 2 pintaloosa 1/2 siblings.

When born she was very light, like your foal. She darkened and for awhile looked like a carbon copy of dad. Well, now she has streaky mane & tail and last week I noticed she is getting quite a lot of scattered white hair on her flanks. And of course she has had a few rolls in that nice red okie dirt, so I can't really say if the streaky color was white or is just a paler red or if she is trying real hard to end up with a flaxen mane and tail.

Of course when she gets a bath we may find all that red is from the dirt! (some of that nice red gumbo out there makes a great t-shirt dye...whether you wanted to dye your shirt or not!)

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:42 am Post subject:

looks like she could possibly be a sorrel than or a chestnut with a flaxen mane and tail. She could roan out in the summer time because roans tend to go solid in the winter, but shed out to the roan look. I can't wait to see her without her winter coat on!

storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

Lol, neither can I
A flaxen mane and tail would be pretty, I was also wondering if she could have gotten the sabino gene.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:

What are her parents? At least one of them has to carry the sabino gene in order for her to have it and express it. Two parents carrying it would be better.

storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

Her sire is a black roan sabino, dam is just black.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:41 am Post subject:

She could possibly be a sabino, but it depends if she carries the sabino genes. She could possibly start to roan like sabinos do, so if she does that, than she is a sabino and not just a red color horse, whether it is sorrel or chestnut. I guess we will see. That may happen at around 5 years of age or earlier.

NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject:

"Sabino" is a catch-all phrase (except for SB-1, which has been found and is testable) for white markings/patterning that are not appaloosa, classic roan, tobiano, frame or splash white. She has white on her face, therefore she has "sabino". Whether or not she has the specific "sabino" that makes sabino roaning is not testable at this point, as I don't believe SB-1 is the one that does that--IIRC, SB-1 is the maximum sabinos (but not necessarily all max sabinos).

Some horses just have "grizzle" in their manes and tails, too.

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storminthenight · Member Joined: 10 Nov 2006 Posts: 168 Location: Missouri

I dont know if this makes a difference but her sire had a bald face, three jagged stockings, and belly spots. He is also from The Pusher lines (TWH).

I really like this little girl, she has such a pretty head, and great movement, I just love to watch her, so her having "great" or unusual color isnt important. I'm just curious to see if she does change at all.

Lmac · Yearling Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Posts: 18 Location: Kansas

Boy can I relate to this one . . . our stallion is a sabino, bald face, 3 stockings, belly spots - Triples Titan and Leo San Siemon bloodlines. And all of his foals change colors a hundred times . . .they can be a light sorrel like this filly, then they will turn chestnut, then before they're done, they will have the flaxen manes and tails. These changes seem to go on and on until they're about 3 or 4 years old.

One filly was a sorrel as a baby, shed off to be chocolate, turned sorrel as a yearling, then as a 2 year old was a dark chocolate with an almost silver mane and tail. Full brother was a cherry red, but the last I heard, he has big streaks of white in his mane -- both are out of an AQHA mare.

The latest horse of many colors is out of a gray or blue roan mare . . .we're still waiting for him to shed out to see what he's going to be. At least it makes life interesting . . .

cgipson · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:48 am Post subject:

The picture of the filly at the top of the thread looks like a sorrel/chestnut - she seems to have that peachy skin around her eyes in the photos - that would mean that she is red based - the skin will turn black within 48 hours normally. You can tell if she did get the sabino gene if she has any underlip white, jagged edges around her socks - but she looks pretty subdued on the white - so my guess would be not.

Lmac - on that last comment - out of a gray or blue roan mare. If the mare has a sire or dam that is gray sheis probably a gray, and if her points are not gray but a solid black - then she's a blue roan. If the head and points are full of white hair she is a gray. A gray horse always has one parent that is gray. That is an absolute - just like a red to a red always produces a red.