I'm confused... Paint genetics HELP PLEASE

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:31 am Post subject:

They both have the yellow ears, tail, and possibly mane but you can't see it. They both have the pink muzzles and eyes. And like you said, they both have the same body color and legs. So, what part of the horses are different?

doubleopi · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:19 pm Post subject:

http://www.horsesmithsfarm.com/
On their home page

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:50 pm Post subject:

Well thanks for proving my point though.

NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject:

NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject:

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject:

Oh and I may be stuck in my ways because I am a quarter horse person and really nothing else except for I also own a few paints, which are quarter horses with color.

crysann · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:25 am Post subject:

does anyone know where the pictures I posted went to, they don't seem to be on here anymore???????????
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crysann · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:28 am Post subject:

oh never mind duh Embarassed

I found them they were on a differant post. Long weekend I think that fall I took went to my head haha
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one okie gal · Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject:

Hi Crysann!
Well, I'm back from my little jaunt to Texas and I thought I'd check and see what was thought of my post on Cocoa Reine and Dandy and looks like it has been ignored in favor of trying to prove points on the genetic markers question.

I thought it was valid to bring up the possibility as I did in my last post. Guess I will look and see if I can find anything else that would be of some help to you. I mean, it is not like we had a question on what color any of the three horses is, the question is on what the actual patterns are and what else might be there.

Anyway, I trust your sons are well and the little painted girl is behaving.

Later!

crysann · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

Thank you Ma'am, I appreciate the help. From the information I have been able to decifer this is what i have come up where Babe (cocoa jet) is concerned...
She is tobiano with a FEW sabino characteristics and a FEW overo characteristics. From a distance she looks Tobiano, but upon close inspection and getting up close and personal with her flank Laughing

you see that she has the Sabino markings. It will be interesting to see how she changes through the summer.
I read the APHA official discription of Overo verses Tobiano markings and she only has a couple of the things listed for Overo, so definatly not a strong overo and she doesn't have enough of the Overo characteristics to list her as Tovero.
So in short I am pleased to say that I have a VERY pretty Tobiano APHA mare that has a few interesting markings Wink

and GREAT ancestors. Kinda sad that she's not homozygous, but hey as my Momma says you can't have your cake and eat it too Sad

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The boys are great and Babe (cocoa Jet) is coming along Great in her training, kinda kicking around the idea of putting her in a couple of leaky roof shows this summer just to see how she'll do. We haven't had any bites on selling her, so I'm just proceeding with my training and we'll see where we end up. As it looks now, I think someone's telling me I'm not supposed to sell her. Rolling Eyes

BTW... How was Texas? I sure miss home somedays. I hope you enjoyed it and the WARM weather.
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one okie gal · Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:52 am Post subject:

Great trip. Husband had to drive all that way to the Port and flick two switches. Had some great seafood and some really good Chinese food. Went to see the memorial at San Jacinto, (that has got to be the most sacred place of the Texans, or at least I it must be).

The weather was great and that was my very long delayed honeymoon. Of course I told him about every horse we saw along the way. Lots and lots of them along I-35.

Weather was wonderful. Just a little rain fell while we were at the memorial. Nice, sunny and not too hot.

Did you check the page for that ranch and look at Cocoa Jet's mama? Maybe JR will come over to this thread and look at the question I had about mama maybe having frame, but it being covered up by the sabino.

bfre49849 · Yearling Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 11

At the risk of wading in to a "lively discussion" I have an interesting, yet unrelated (to the cremello/perlino discussion) question.

Our mare appears to be a sorrel (she's purdy durn red with narely an off-color mark). EXCEPT, her tail is made up of at least 50 - 60% black hairs intermixed with red and lighter golden hair. Her mane is all red. She comes from a line of grays (F1, P2, P3, F4) with a smattering of bays, sorrels and a token dun in the first 5 generations. I'm not sure why some black would be showing through if she is true ee (even if she was AA). She is 8 Y.O. and isn't showing any signs of graying. Can the Gg heterozygote cause such a phenomenon in redheads?

Any of you backyard geneticists (or credentialled professionals) have a hypothesis to offer?

F1 = Dam
P2 = Grandsire
P3 = Great Grandsire
F4 = Great Grea Granddam

one okie gal · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject:

gotta picture or pedigree or both? 'twould be helpful.

bfre49849 · Yearling Joined: 27 Apr 2008 Posts: 11

The mare is Solano Double D Boss and can be found on this site. I don't have a picture readily available, although I can come up with one if it would help. I have submitted some tail and mane hair samples for genetic testing, but I was curious to know what hypotheses would surface on the forum....