Do HYPP N/N horses get the AQHA World Titles? Please Share.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject:

I know that nrhareiner and I don't really care. I don't mind open classes. Gives me more competition and it also allows me to see how well my horses can do against almost everyone. It helps me during training more than anything, so it is no biggy for me.

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

If you really think you can be competative in NRHA having never shown a reiner in NRHA before well I would love to see that. I have been around a long time and it is very very very very far inbetween that anyone can come into the NRHA Open ranks and be sucessful. Most of the trainers who start training in the NRHA have been showing either in Youth or as a non pro for several years.

well more power too you. As I doubt anyone will give you a horse to train that can be competative in NRHA Open classes until you really prove yourself first in NRHA Open classes and that is hard to do when you can not get the horses that can compet at that level with out some winnings/earnings first.

You would be better off not training outside horses trainer your colt for Reining only put some non pro earnings on him and get a second and put some non pro earnings on that one then try the rookie pro and see how you do. It takes years and riding a lot of good horses to get to the point you can make a liveing training horses in the NRHA. Now if all you want is to train horses for local shows and people who need rust taken off a weekend trail horse they yes you will get a few of those but if you want to really make a living showing reiners in the NRHA that is a long hard haul. I have watched many good trainer strugle for years before then started to get good mounts in that where competative enough to really make a mark.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject:

I am not finishing out horses. I am either starting them under saddle or doing some problem solving. The only ones I choose to finish at this part in my life are my own. Other then that, I have them take their horses to another place if they want finishing. I can do it, but I only like to finish horses in barrels/poles since I am the best at that. When I get older and more experienced, I will open up finishing to outside horses for reining and cutting. Until then, I am sticking with breaking and problem solving.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the advise!

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

the thing is you will have a really hard time getting to that point. I will give you an example. Take it as you may.

Look at Shawn since we have talked about him in the past here.

He started out in the Youth. He has over 500 youth points. He then went into the non pro ranks. He spent about 7 years in the non pro ranks building his record. Then once he did start out as a trainer it took him 2 years before he ever got a horse he could show. Now Shawn is truely one of a kind. He has natureal tallent like non I have ever seen. Even better them Mike who won more earlier in his carrer.

I can show you this same type of thing for just about every top trainer. They started out in the youth ranks then to the non pro then to the open. Some of the older trainers like Bill and Tim did not quite do it this way but they have been around from the beginning.

Rocky Darr made his mark b/c Linda and John believed in him and gave him really good horses to train before he really made a name for himself and that is what pushed him up and over.

I have a 18yo who has been riding and showing for 11 years. She has quite a few titles in H/J and now along with that wants to learn reining. So what she is doing is coming here about 3-4 times a week and riding for me. I show her what she need to do and how to train a reiner how to keep them legged up how to sit the stop teach the stop and turn the roleback and so on. This summer the plane is for her to use one of my reiners in the Green classes and get some show experinace on a reiner. Now keep in mind that she has year end wards in A circuit H/J and many other areas in the H/J world so showing in not at all new to her but this is something she wants to learn and to do but dose not want to loose her non pro status so she is working with and training some of my younger horses for nothing to learn. She will not finish them they will go to a real trainer to be finished but she is learning and when it comes to showing she will get experiance in the green/rookie/non pro area before she ever tries to earn $$ doing any training for out side horses. Works for her and for me. Although I doubt she will be a trainer more likely she will be a vet or Lawyer but she wants to learn.

This is a good way to get good horses to learn with without loosing your non pro status. Give you a chance to feel things out and see what you can do.

Again you can take it for what it is worth but like I said. I have been doing this for a long time. When it comes to training. Is it the trainer who makes the horse or the horse who makes the trainer??? In NRHA it is both. You will not have one with out the other.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

your last statement is completely true and I agree with you 100%.

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

I do wish you luck. If you give it a go. At your age I would just finish school and do not train just ride every thing you can and get as much experiance as you can. Without the $$ part. That way you can show in the non pro. In NRHA you do not have to own the horse to show in the green or rookie classes.

That is what the girl who rides for me is doing. I can put her on differnt horses them what she is use to and can get access to anyplace ealse. Then she can show them too in NHRA for the experinace. I would think there would be someone in your area who could do that for you too.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject:

Thanks and I am sorry for being such a you know what. When someone says something, I generally take offense to it depending on what it says, which I know that I really need to work on that. I have thought about getting into the NRHA, but if Iowa had more shows, I would be there in a heart beat. The one that we do have is in Cedar Rapids, which I watched this year. There was this cute and awesome buckskin there that this girl road phenomenally. I loved that horse and I picked it as the winner. The horse had a kick butt run and of course won. Brian Welman was also there with his famous horses and he to did a great job. Truthfully, Iowa has crap for reiners. There is this one guy I could train under, but he doesn't believe in the NRHA and he thinks that it is not for the good people (which let me tell ya, I had opposite views and I think that he was just jealous he never won), but I also don't really like his training style or some of the stallions he owns. One stallion was being handled and grabbed some bodies face and basically ripped it off. He is a very mean stallion when it comes time for breeding. It was a sad thing. You may or may not know that stallion, but I wont share any names for the sake of the owner and his stallion.

Again, thanks for wishing me luck. I am going to try and get into the NRHA more and I hope Iowa decides to have more shows. I guess I do know another family I could train under that actually hows in the NRHA. They have some really nice horses and I like one of them who is a paly and by Lil Ruf Peppy. Such an awesome horse that averages 71/72 a show. I used to team pen with these guys.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject:

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject:

I have a question....again.(nrhareiner) Have you ever thought about buying a horse and then you don't? Then that horse that you were going to buy went on and turned out to be an excellent horse and has already own a lot of shows as a three year old?

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

I think everyone at some point passes on a prospect for one reason or anouther and wishes they had not. I know a few years ago just after I got Cassie I had a chance to get a foal out of Im Not Trash. I did not do it b/c I did not want to spend the money. Now I wish I had. Not that either of the foals have done much from that years crop. although I have not really checked either but I just love that mare. If I had the $$ I would have several of Lindas prospect that she breeds here on my property.

When it comes down to it you have to deside what you want and what your end goal is. I desided about 4-5 years ago that I was just going to buy and keep mares. However up until just about a month ago I had 2 stallions. I have learned over the years that it makes more sence and you make a lot more money with mares then you do stallions. Great stallions who bring in a good amount of money for their owners are very few and far between. Good mares on the other had bring in good money on a regular basses.

You just have to hope that what you put in your barn will be a good one. I have been lucky over the years. Each horse I have owned has been a good one and I have made money with every one of them.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject:

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

Try joining the NRHA and your local affiliate. Most affiliate need to have 3 NRHA sanktioned shows a year to make them eligable for the reginal finals. Most affiliates who do not have 3 do not b/c they do not have enough volinters. That is a really good way to get into the reining and meet people. I have said for the past few years that I should do that but the affiliate I show in and the one that my horses are shown in the most is up in Mi and to go to the meetings is about a 3-4 hour drive one way and I just do not want to do that right now. But is a really good way for some one trying to brake in to showing and training to get a foot in the door and some help.

You will find that most NRHA people are quite nice. I have been at shows and having problems with a horse and have had Mike Flarida come up and offer to help me out. He has also offered to let me come down and ride with him. Then he just had to up and move. Oh well. That is the norm and not the exception. One show I was at the Owner of Zan Freckls Hickory went out of his way to find me. I had breed my Poco G-daughter to Hickory that spring and he wanted to meet me. Very nice guy. Died the way I want to go. At an NRHA show on horse back.

Keep looking around. Also if you join the NRHA you will get the reiner too as part of your membership. This is a good tool to find poeple in your area and keep up on the latest news. Some really ticks me off but oh well.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject:

I do know what a good reiner looks like and the pedigree that can make winners, but sometimes I like to take a gamble, which is what I did with my colt. When I lunged him, he moved great although was not listening the best given the fact that he has not started any training at all. Once I actually started riding him though, I new he was a natural not only in reining, but his speed could also take him somewhere. He can do great stops, he can spin slowly since I am not pushing him yet to go faster, I haven't tried roll backs except for a few times and he has done better than expected with those, he knows his leads, but we have just started on flying lead changes, which he has shown to be a bit difficult for him under saddle, but he has master it on the ground, so I know he can do it, but it will take some time. He knows how to go fast and slow and I will be introducing him into the humming for the transitions here in a few more rides. He basically already has the basics down in his first few rides and soon it will get a little harder for him. I am not even pushing him, this is how fast he wants to learn. His is amazingly smart, which is why I love the fact that I have the opportunity to train him. He is incredibly trainable and rarely ever throws a fuss when I teach him something. You can kind of get the picture of why I like to talk about him in a good way so much.

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

Yep it normally comes down to $$. However when I find one I know will be good I find the money or work a deal to get the horse. I find it is not the number of horses you have but the qualtiy. It dose not cost me any more to keep my Dun It daughter acturelly less to keep her then it would a $100 rescue.

I see poeple who buy several horses b/c they think they can make a few bucks then ask why they can not sell them or the foals. I always tell them to sell 3 and buy 1. I have done that several times over the years and that is how you end up with 2-3 really good horses with no money into them.

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