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one okie gal
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Well, folks, I lack the technical skill to put a quote on this. So we are going to paraphrase.
horsetrainer89, you need to learn to read with comprehension or work on basic math or something or maybe you should just bring a big pile of money and buy some Nebraska ocean front property from me or maybe bet facts.
Man O War was never defeated by Seabiscuit. Do you know how to read a pedigree? Check it out. Man O War, foaled in 1917 was the grand-sire of Seabiscuit who was foaled in 1933. In what alternate universe did the race you speak of take place?
You speak ill of Secretariat. Shame, shame, shame. The horse is a TB, not even the breed you own and claim to know. Fact is, that if you have a horse like Secretariat or Man O War you might have some get of note in the first generation, but if I was to choose I would want to have a filly and I'd be going for heart size, hoping like hell she could be able to pass that heart size on to her foal which I would want to be a colt. Now, maybe you could go ponder that for awhile and learn about what some of us call a good nick. |
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nrhareiner
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| one okie gal wrote: | Well, folks, I lack the technical skill to put a quote on this. So we are going to paraphrase.
horsetrainer89, you need to learn to read with comprehension or work on basic math or something or maybe you should just bring a big pile of money and buy some Nebraska ocean front property from me or maybe bet facts.
Man O War was never defeated by Seabiscuit. Do you know how to read a pedigree? Check it out. Man O War, foaled in 1917 was the grand-sire of Seabiscuit who was foaled in 1933. In what alternate universe did the race you speak of take place?
You speak ill of Secretariat. Shame, shame, shame. The horse is a TB, not even the breed you own and claim to know. Fact is, that if you have a horse like Secretariat or Man O War you might have some get of note in the first generation, but if I was to choose I would want to have a filly and I'd be going for heart size, hoping like hell she could be able to pass that heart size on to her foal which I would want to be a colt. Now, maybe you could go ponder that for awhile and learn about what some of us call a good nick. |
If you want to quote a secont there is a quote botton at the top just hit it.
I agree she needs to look and learn about pedigrees and genetics that traice differntly depending on what they are. I posed the question as to why Secritariat was a better broodmare sire then a sire of sires and why his daughters where so good when his sons where not.
No reply as she probable dose not know and will not ask.
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surprisewind
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For the most part, I found this thread to be interesting and informative. There are definitely some experienced horse people on this board willing and able to intelligently discuss their opinions. And then there's the other. A few months ago, I thought it was just me... and then the trolling continued. phoo. It just doesn't listen, does it 
original poster: you've got lovely horses and clearly care about producing foals with a future. As someone who "dabbles" in rescue, I applaud you. If more people were careful.... but that's another topic, isn't it.
Anyhoo, thanks to almost all for an educational read! |
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NZ Appaloosas
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| blindleadingdeaf&dumb wrote: | I found their website: http://www.mastersonfarms.com/
She looks a lot more like their other stallion, RL Best of Sudden. But it shows a better shot of Zippo's Sheik, although still not conformation.
She's got a thinner build for sure. She's more uphill and her neck is longer and set a bit higher.
Check out those pictures of their barn.  I'd rather have my barn look like that than have my horse look like Z.S.! |
LOL--yeah. I didn't dare show the site to hubby, especially as that looks like a huge indoor arena there. He's got enough plans as it is. LOL
Google is grand <G> It's strange how genetics can work. I've a family line going to in two directions--three foals with the same sire, two foals with the same grandsire/different sires. One of the three foals is also a "cousin" to one of the two foals, via the dam line. It's fun to compare the differences and the similiaries.
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NZ Appaloosas
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| surprisewind wrote: |
original poster: you've got lovely horses and clearly care about producing foals with a future. As someone who "dabbles" in rescue, I applaud you. If more people were careful.... but that's another topic, isn't it.
Anyhoo, thanks to almost all for an educational read! |
So true--it is amazing just how many people put colour as the most important factor..."but but but he's a fewspot and will throw 100% colour"...ignoring the fact that none of the 4 legs are of the same length...
And then the mares--oy vey. So many seem to think that Daisy Mae needs to be bred cuz she's so sweet, cuz every mare "deserves" to be a mum, and let's forget about the fact that Daisy Mae can't be ridden cuz she's got a weak back because it's as long as a car, and could fit a family of 10 between withers and croup...
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horsetrainer89
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | So true--it is amazing just how many people put colour as the most important factor..."but but but he's a fewspot and will throw 100% colour"...ignoring the fact that none of the 4 legs are of the same length...
And then the mares--oy vey. So many seem to think that Daisy Mae needs to be bred cuz she's so sweet, cuz every mare "deserves" to be a mum, and let's forget about the fact that Daisy Mae can't be ridden cuz she's got a weak back because it's as long as a car, and could fit a family of 10 between withers and croup... |
I agree 100% and I even had to chuckle a little because I know some people like that mainly because they don't know genetics really well. I know a guy who breed a horse that had an extremely long back(mare) to a stallion that had an extremely short back wishing to get a foal in the middle. Well, his plans didn't work and he ended up having a foal with an extremely long back(longer than mares). I had to laugh at what he did. It was to good to pass up an ab workout. LOL! |
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warchief
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| Personally, I would find a World Champion APHA Halter stallion that has sired a World Champion Halter horse and breed to him. You would probably get more for the colt. |
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