Whatcha think? Do they compliment eachother?

Jaimi · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Alabama

We're looking to breed our new mare in the spring to this guy:
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He is an amazing stud with an outstanding temperment and disposition. Im not the best at judging lines/confo, so i'm looking for some opinions. Do you think their lines will mesh nicely? Im looking for a nice all around horse then may be pointed towards barrels some day.
Ive seen lots of Jack's foals, and most if not all have a nice level head on them and a lovely temperment to boot.
Here is my mare. She is new and I dont have any good confo shots, but here is the best I have. Ill deffinatly get new better pics soon. She's the sorrel...:

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So, whatcha think? Very Happy

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Jaimi · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Alabama

Oh, btw, this guy is at the same farm. I havent had much expirience with his foals, but of ya'll think he is a better match for my mare...
You can see some of Jack's and Dude's foals in this catalog. #54 on. =D
http://www.southeasthorsesales.com/October%202005%20catalog.pdf
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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject:

well with his pedigree and your mares, you have less than a 50-50 chance of producing a barrel prospect. They have the all around potential, but the barrel prospect is not going to be as high as if say you were to breed a really nice and amazing barrel mare to an even better barrel stallion that is proven. The foal would be able to compete locally though. Oh and I like the gray one better. I like the color of the palomino, but the gray one would be the only one to produce you a potential barrel prospect. The palomino wont help you in that field.

Hope that helps.

Jaimi · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Alabama

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject:

Well if your looking for a good trail horse with speed, I would look more into the reining horse world. Those horses tend to be a lot less hot (in the head), but they will still provide you with some speed. You can even end up barrel racing on them if you really wanted to or if that dream ever comes true.

Jaimi · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Alabama

So your saying you dont like the stud? Would you mind giving reasons why? Im trying to learn. Thanks! =D
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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject:

Its not that I dont like them. Its just that they might not be what your necessarily looking for. The palomino stud's body doesn't really tie in well together. Like his neck is extremely thick and as you move down the body, you reach an extremely small hip. That's probably not what your looking for in the end results of the foal, so you wont want to breed to that. The grey one on the other hand is a nice looking stallion (has some conformation flaws though), but he will have a barrel racer mind. Most barrel racers, the really good ones with an exception to a few, are really crazy and tend to be really hot all of the time. If your looking for a really calm horse for the trails, you wont want to breed to a hot headed barrel racer (I barrel race fyi.) Now, if your looking for a good all around, easy to train, calm horse, then a reiner would be a better bet or just another all around horse. Reiners have speed, are really easy to train, and they generally are calm. You also have the all around horses that can do everything, but may not be the best at everything or may be good at just one thing, but can still do everything else.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject:

I guess the grey one could work, but it would all depend on how hot he is when in the arena.

Jaimi · Member Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Alabama

OK, I see what your saying. Ive never seen Jack (the grey) compete first hand, but I have been around him a good bit at the barn he's at. He is the kind of horse that knows his job and does it w/o you asking. He is very easy to handle, even around mares. I dont have much experiance period with Dude (palo), but personally, I dont want a palo foal. (My mare's sire was palo, so there is a good chance...)
Would you mind pointing out the confo faults in Jack so I can take a good look at my mare and make sure she doesn't have the same??? You can PM me if you want. =D
Thanks!
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nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

Neither pedigree scrams speed prospect. More along the lines of a Rope prospect.

If the stallion is doing what you want if a foal and your mare can also do it then there is a desent chance the foal will do that event also at least at that level. Also if you have seen the stallion in person and like him the way he conducts himself that is important.

As for conformation. All I saw in the pictures was her moving. Not the best way to check comformation. Unless I missed some other images.

As for collor. Your mare can NEVER produce a Pally unless bred to a stallion who carries the cream gene as she dose not carrie it. She is sorral dose not matter her sire was a pally.

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Linda_D · Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject:

EAhola · Member Joined: 10 Jan 2005 Posts: 152 Location: Colorado

No Dumping From Me ....

I was reading through the thread and thinking the exact same thing when I finally read Linda's message.

Why are you breeding? For the cost of breeding and the chances of maybe loosing your mare/foal -- you can buy a good trail horse. No training involved and you'll be getting what you want.

Lower end horses are selling at a good price still and you should only breed for 'better'. Can't remember where you're at --- but go to a few horse auctions and start to educate yourself.

On a side bar --- the dun gene and the color gene must be in the mare/stud for the offspring to have them. But has anyone noticed how
'VERY RARELY' the creme gene can be hidden. For instance -- take a look at a few Dual Pep offsprings. I wonder if he doesn't have a hidden cream gene. I know it's impossible --- but still it seems like he does.
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sulphurfire · Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject:

I just have to say that I agree with Linda_D and EAhola why breed when the market is still so full of good horses. I know here in Southwest Louisiana you can go to the weekly sales and pick up nice registered and grade foals for next to nothing. If you really want a foal it is MUCH cheaper to buy a weanling or yearling than to breed one yourself.
And now back to lurking for me.
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horsewoman1965 · Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject:

No dumping from here either. There are already too many good ones heading for Mexico everyday. Go to the sale barn and find you one for alot cheaper than you can breed one and raise it. And yes,even babies are heading for slaughter.
We are no longer breeding for this very reason. Just can't stand the thought of one of mine going there Mad

Kassie has a nice sounding gelding for sale right now over on the Sale board that sounds like a good trail horse, already being ridden.
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