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 Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: Puppies puppeis puppies |
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My mom has started raising corgis. She has 3 females and they all had their pups the first part of Jan. Believe it or 2 of them had 8 & one had 7. So she is going to sale them for $225 if you know any one looking for one. They are located in MO
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject: Pups |
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That's crazy. How can she handle them all? 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Puppies puppeis puppies |
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| Robin wrote: | | My mom has started raising corgis. She has 3 females and they all had their pups the first part of Jan. Believe it or 2 of them had 8 & one had 7. So she is going to sale them for $225 if you know any one looking for one. They are located in MO |
Let me preface this with 'THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK' ... I think most of you are quick enough to know if it was.
I'm going to ask you the same thing I ask anyone else when they tell me they have THAT many whelps to place.
Are all three of your mom's bitches (don't stress .. if you are in the fancy, you know that is the proper term ... it's like broodmare to horse people -- meaningless. And if she bred 3, then she SHOULD be in the fancy) show dogs with immediately proven (parents or siblings) lines?
Have they themselves at least place in a breed class of more than 3 dogs?
Corgis are Herding breeds ... are they are least from immediately proven (parents or siblings) Herding Dog lines ... Have their parents or sibs at least achieved HT (Herding Test Dog) status?
Did your mom breed each bitch with intention of keeping at least one pup from each litter?
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Forgot one --- Is your mother offering a return contract in case the puppies develop any type of hereditary condition that would prevent them from living full, healthy lives without pain (Corgis don't generally get HD but they are prone to dwarfism and a condition where the upper leg bones continue to grow when the lower bones don't ... making the dog look bowlegged)?
If you say no to more than 1 of those questions, then it is irresponsible to bring that many new dogs into the world.
23 puppies are a heck of a lot harder to place than 1 horse.
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Inyureye
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One litter in the closet in the guest room. The second litter is down in the laundry room. The third and smallest litter is currently in the Laundry basket, so it can be picked up and moved from convenient spot to convenient spot as needed.  And the father of all three litters got a real quick trip to the vet <snip>. Mom is desperately hoping a couple of pups from the first litter will sell real quick so she can install heat in the garage. The cars will have to stay outside for the rest of the winter.
That about it?
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Robin
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Actually they have a dog house built for them that is a lot nicer than a lot of peoples houses.
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Sam, the Corgie is the dog of choice for a lot of horse people. Right behind the heeler. Make good companion's and travel partner's. 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: Zoo |
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It sounds like a zoo. A lot of work and a lot of fun.
Crazy 
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| Arkansas Razorback wrote: | | Sam, the Corgie is the dog of choice for a lot of horse people. Right behind the heeler. Make good companion's and travel partner's. |
I like my Sibes.
Tell you one breed I will NEVER have again -- Wire Fox Terror ... er Terrier.
I'm not saying she won't find them all homes or that they aren't good dogs especially with horses and horse people. I looked at getting one a decade ago ... then I found Siberians  I'll never have another breed at this point.
I just don't like 'backyard' breeders of anything, especially dogs because of how many puppies they have each litter. Unless you are doing it for a puppy of your own and doing it with proven lines, you shouldn't be breeding them at all. And I can't think of ANY responsible breeder in the fancy who welps 23 puppies at the same time.
It's no different than breeding one of these dirt cheap, non-producing mares just because. If she couldn't run (or whatever your discipline) and comes from a long line of cheap, useless horses -- DON'T BREED HER unless you plan on taking care of that foal until it dies.
I'm so tired of seeing cheap, bottom feeder $2k claimers who are 1 for 30 lifetime, out of mares who were 1 for 50 and throwing 0 for infinity foals. There are a ton of horses with GOOD pedigrees that can't run for crap ... STOP BREEDING CHEAP ONES!
By Truck out of Trailer by Trash ... and then people bitch about the number of horses that wind up in the slaughter houses.
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I have an Akita. Her personality is way different then my Golden Retriever's was.
She is not afraid of anything and she plays with my stallion. He loves her.
She only likes horses and my cat. No other animals need ever be around her. She looks at other animals as a meal. Very different. 
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| Sam some of the worst temperment and unhealthy dogs are show dogs. The focus is so much on " looks " that often times health and temperment go by the waste side. I know I went through a German shepherd phase all of which had one problem or another till we got a mutt who is everything I wanted in a german shepherd. I think I will stick with mutts. Welsh Corgies are the cutest dogs I have ever seen though. One of my favorite on looks. |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Akitas |
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| Lucilla wrote: | I have an Akita. Her personality is way different then my Golden Retriever's was.
She is not afraid of anything and she plays with my stallion. He loves her.
She only likes horses and my cat. No other animals need ever be around her. She looks at other animals as a meal. Very different. |
Typical spitz breed behaviour .. some have it stronger than others.
My Sibe was people orientated ... her own 'pack' (2 dogs and 2 cats) was tolerated (she wasn't the 'alpha' so that was part of the reason why ... the cat is the alpha) ... any others were insignificant peons to her barely worthy of her attention.
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| paintedglory wrote: | | Sam some of the worst temperment and unhealthy dogs are show dogs. |
Same can be said for pure bred horses. In that respect it's more environment than it is breeding.
That's why temperment should also be considered when trying to decide if an animal should be bred.
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Thats not what I meant, this had nothing to do with enviorment. One had Pacreatic insufency ( sorry on spelling ) great temperment. The second was timid even as a puppy had nothing to do with enviorment. the third had a bad hip and very dog aggressive and had seperation anxiety. The fourth again was shy she never barked at a soul, we even had a bike stolen out of our garage while we and the dog were home. She also peed when excited from the day I got her till we sold her at 2 and thereafter. All their enviorments were just fine. They were all American line show dogs not like the german lines which are much sounder.
I have to disgree with you about horses I have breed and raised many foals and they all have had the same handling and they are all different.
Now I do agree there are many a good dogs ruined by people who do mistreat them and try to make them into something they are not. But when it comes to humans or animals innate temperment is inborn more than it is enviorment. Sam I bet you were just as ornery as a child as you are now. Am i right or was it your enviorment. |
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| paintedglory wrote: | | Sam I bet you were just as ornery as a child as you are now. Am i right or was it your enviorment. |
Environment ... it took years and lots of 'field study' to develop a low opinion of people.
Yes, the things you mentioned can be part of a dogs temperament ... but they get worse in environments that are not conducive to correcting them or working through them. 23 puppies without proper kennels is one of the best ways to start.
All but one of our dogs have been rescues either from pounds or from breed specific rescues.
A dog who 'fear pees' does so primarily because it is the lowest member in its 'pack' (and dogs view humans as their pack leaders -- or they should), are insecure about their place even at that level and are unsure of what is expected of them. I had a poodle who did the same when we got her ... didn't take long to correct the situation to where she more or less stopped.
My Sibe took 4 years before she got over the fear she wasn't allowed to leave her dog bed when in the house and I finally got her to accept having her feet handled (anyone else tried to touch them, she pulled them under her body and shook).
The Doberman was EXTREMELY aggressive ... that I blame on my brothers. When they moved out, I'd curbed him to where he was at least manageable by me within 8 months. I just think he was sexist ... he never liked guys but he was the biggest sweetheart to me and my mom.
I'm not saying mutts don't make great pets. They do, but if more people took responsibility for their dogs by getting them fixed, we wouldn't have the dog problem we have (same for cats).
As it stands, I've always been against the AKC's rule against fixed dogs being able to show.
Unless they are show/working dogs, there is NO reason for them to be bred. There are far too many 'throwaway' dogs already, there is no reason to breed more just because you can. Unless the dog is a good example of its breed both physically and mentally, it should never be bred and should be fixed ASAP. Mixed breeds should NEVER be bred (outside of the careful development of a 'new breed' with a specific purpose -- see the Australian based "labradoodles" who are designed to be guides for blind people who are allergic to dogs).
Same thing for horses. Unless you have 20+ years to devote to the proper care and training of a horse, breeding a 'grade' level mare just because foals are cute and you always wanted one is irresponsible, and no offense Robin, but whelping 23 puppies at one time because you can and because you think you can get $225 a piece for them is VERY irresponsible. Far as I'm concerned, unless they come from proven competition (either show or working/herding) lines, NO pure bred is worth that much JUST because it's papered.
You shouldn't breed a dog unless you can get most of them placed before they are even born. Unless you are a certified breeder (and have the proper city permits/enough land to have that many dogs at once) having 23 puppies at one time skirts the edge of being a puppy mill.
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| paintedglory wrote: | | Thats not what I meant, this had nothing to do with enviorment. One had Pacreatic insufency ( sorry on spelling ) great temperment. The second was timid even as a puppy had nothing to do with enviorment. the third had a bad hip and very dog aggressive and had seperation anxiety. The fourth again was shy she never barked at a soul, we even had a bike stolen out of our garage while we and the dog were home. She also peed when excited from the day I got her till we sold her at 2 and thereafter. All their enviorments were just fine. They were all American line show dogs not like the german lines which are much sounder. |
My mistake .. you mentioned 'excitement peeing' .. which has some of the same root problems, but requires different handling techniques to curb (depending on the age of the dog, you'll never 'cure' it).
However, NONE of the dogs above should have been bred, especially the one with the bad hip (which would have been a causal factor in the temperament problems). Their temperaments would have made them bad examples of their respective breeds and unsuitable for breeding.
Just like horses ... you shouldn't breed overly aggressive horses (people do .. which is too bad and just goes to the environment argument in that if the people who handle them are greedy, it makes them express characteristics a horse will pick up on) nor should you breed unsound horses.
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