Pocomoonskyeyes APHA stallion

pocomoonskyeyes · Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:27 am Post subject: Pocomoonskyeyes APHA stallion

OK I think I'm ready for this ulp! I hope![img]

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I hope these are good enough
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JR · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject:

I'm tired and cranky, so this may come out harsher sounding than I mean it to.

No, I would not breed to him. While he may be the apple of your eye as every horse owner thinks their critter is, he's average. What's he done in his life ? He's 7, has he won anything ? Has he been bred yet ? Have any of his offspring won anything ? His pedigree is very plain, not much of anything happening in the first 3 generations.

There are far too many above average horses out there to breed to. Breeders need to step up and stand firm to breeding only the best to the best. There are enough "average" horses out there and they make great riding animals, youth horses, trail horses and 4H horses and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Also, if you do plan on keeping the horse whole and promoting him as a stallion, don't let anything other than perfect confirmation shots get out there. Only pictures that show him at his best. None of the pictures you provided are adequate for looking at his confirmation.
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horsewoman1965 · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject:

Ok definitely not conformation shots.
I voted maybe I would breed to him.
Here would be my qualifications: Breeders Trust, futurity, sire out winning something, and conformation and bloodlines to compliment the mare.
Now, realizing papers mean nothing to some, some lines cross better than others. I would want to increase my odds of an above average foal by trying to find the lines that cross well. Now, if I'm going to take the resulting horse and show it in anything, I want it in the Breeders Trust so if I put any points on it, I get paid some money at the end of the year. Futurities, get a better stud fee and have a chance at trying to actually make some money. Stud has qualities in some disipline and is out winning so it would increase the worth of my horse.
There are a HUGE amount of Studs out there to pick from and he would really have to stand out at something for me to consider him. And, I only have average mares.
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pocomoonskyeyes · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject:

Thank you both for your honesty! I expected nothing less. Now what would I need to improve on the conformation shots? What did I do wrong and what did I do right (if anything)? Showing may not be a possibility as APHA is changing their rules in regards to qualifying for the bigger shows and there just aren't that many shows that are within range in my region(maybe 4 a year,maybe ) that I could reach within reason, While only 100 miles away there are many... but in another region and therefore would not qualify him for the larger shows. There is the Kentucky horse breeders Incentive fund(KHBIF) which is a possibility.
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horsewoman1965 · Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:01 pm Post subject:

Qualifying isn't in effect yet.
I was in the same boat as you. I used to think, OK as long as it is within a 4 hour drive one way. That left maybe 2 shows a year. So, now my rule is no more than a 6 hour drive. That opened up quite a few.
Do you get on APHA and look for Events? Then the drop down menu for the month. Look through the list and find the possibilities?
Confo shots are from straight ahead, side shot, rear shot, and 3/4 view (I like) all while the horse is tanding square. It is tougher than alot of people think. Practice and take lots of pics Smile

I don't know anything about the Kentucky stuff, sorry.
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pocomoonskyeyes · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:53 am Post subject:

Ok just so I am clear on this by 3/4 you mean Oblique( as in drafting) where the photo is taken from an angle, or 45 degree angle, that captures both side and front?
I would like to thank everyone for the constructive criticism thus far provided. I took no offense from you JR, you were much nicer than I was expecting(an old saying is- Expect the worse and hope for the best, you won't be disappointed only pleasantly surprised) and I was Prepared for a blasting.
Btw horsewoman I looked up your facility and would like to say you have some nice looking stock. Thank you so much, you have been so helpful. The KHBIF is something that people are moving their Stallions from other states to take part in, here in Ky. The stallion must stand in Ky. and the foal must "hit the ground in Ky." to be eligible for cash incentive payouts on points earned. Also a paint stallion must be in the BT to be eligible, and a QH stallion must be in the relevant QH incentive program(not sure what it is called), the same is true for other breeds in this incentive. The TWHBA was disallowed this year for some things that were considered violations. Above my pay grade as we used to say in the military.LOL
I am glad to be a part of the horse community because the majority are SOOOO willing to help others, while still remaining competitive. You both prove that point.
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JR · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:00 am Post subject:

Conformation shot isn't taken while the horse is standing square. From the side, you need to have the near legs lined up as if standing square and the far legs set in towards each other a little.

If the picture works, this is one of Three Bars with his legs set properly to judge conformation.

Not sure what discipline you'd show him at, but more often than not, if they don't have their points on them by age 5 you might as well forget about breed shows, especially in halter. Good luck with it all.
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horsewoman1965 · Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject:

So tell me JR, from that confo shot of Three Bars, can you tell if he is posty hocked or has a good set to his hocks or is fair? They don't judge the Stock breeds like that anymore.
Horse needs to be square.
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JR · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject:

I'm aware in a show pen they need to be standing square, but for photography purposes when getting opinions on a horse's conformation regardless of breed, that setting is best. If a horse has a photo taken directly from the side, as is needed to judge conformation, the far legs on a square standing horse line up behind the near legs and it makes it very difficult to see the angles of the legs without telling if it's the leg behind or a shadow of.

It's not about Three Bars confo, just a basic example of how to set a horse up for a conformation shot. He does appear slightly cow hocked though but perhaps that's from him standing up on his toe just a bit as his leg isn't set perfectly. Rolling Eyes

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horsewoman1965 · Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject:

Love the little rolling eyes JR

How about a bit of a critique on my 4 year old? Surely you can see his legs good enough even though he is almost "square"?
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JR · Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject:

I suppose I can muddle through.
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I don't want to hurt your feelings, but when you post questions like that you've got to expect honest answers.

I am sure your horse is sweet and you love him to pieces, but I don't think he's special enough in conformation or pedigree to be breeding material. At least not for bringing in outside mares. Now if you want to make a bunch of babies from him for your own use, that's understandable. Maybe you know something about him which we don't know...like maybe he rides super smooth or has a great disposition. But from what I am looking at, he's not anything I'd bring a mare to.

Look at breed magazines with photo ads and ask yourself honestly how he stacks up in appearance and pedigree to those stallions. There are dozens of drop-dead gorgeous stallions with baby doll heads and nearly perfect conformations out there who are winning big shows, producing winning sons and daughters, or are themselves sons of some famous horse. And quite a few of them are being advertised at reasonable prices. Think about it from a mare owner's point of view, what would you breed to?

Miss Muley · Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject:

This guy has lovely color, but I wouldn't consider him breeding quality. Nice guy but not outstanding enough to reproduce imo.

pocomoonskyeyes · Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:07 am Post subject:

Thank you all for your honesty. It is appreciated. He does have one of the best dispositions of any Stallions I have ever seen. Even had one Lady tell me no way he was a stallion.
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dqh · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject:

All my stallions have been like that, well behaved and acted like geldings. A lot of people seem to believe that stallion means "rank horse" which is no where near the truth, unless they have not been handled properly. Wink

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