Please tell me what you think of this stallion...

surprisewind · Active Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 246

I'm considering him for one of my mares. Thanks!
http://www.cpbarrelhorses.com/frenchmans_fury.htm

I really like his female family, but I'd like to know I'm not being blinded by that Smile

Turn N Burn · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:44 am Post subject:

I too love the dams side, and have never met a Frenchmans Guy, but if you are looking to compete on, and/or sell, I would personally wait until you know how hes going to do in the show ring.

He looks a little butt high, but that comes with being a colt (he just turned 3 if I read right?) and theres something I dont like about his withers, but he does have that Frenchmans head that I love!

I see nothing majorly wrong with him, and it looks like the owners are doing a great job setting up his career, but I would just wait to see how he does in the ring.

Just my opinion, but he looks like a very nice stud. Smile

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JR · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:04 pm Post subject:

Looks bay to me. Mighty dark buckskin. Nice enough pedigree. I don't care for the way his neck / shoulders are tied in. He's got a decent hip / hindquarters. Looks a little calf kneed in the one picture. I'm always bothered by confo shots where they have the lower legs hidden in high grass. What are they trying to hide ?

However.. pedigree or no, he's not proven. He hasn't done jack ... and the stud fee is outrageous for an unproven horse.
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Turn N Burn · Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject:

I agree about the legs JR, and they bred him to some mares as a two year old... again, totally uproven.....and I didnt see the stud fee when I looked at it before. WOW! Shocked

you can breed to a very good PROVEN stud, with a frenchmans pedigree for less than that!
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surprisewind · Active Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 246

I'm awaiting some current confo pics and some video before I get too worked up... agreed about the fee but they do make considerations for proven mares, so that part is good.
I've seen some other pics and talked to some people and they confirm his color. NOt the greatest online photo, I will absolutely agree.

JR · Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:35 pm Post subject:

Proven horses will make considerations to approved mares as well. Some breeders even offer free breedings to their new studs if the foal is going to a show home or if the mare is a proven broodmare. It's good business. The foal will go somewhere and do something.. getting the stallion's name out there.

An unproven stallion isn't worth that. Maybe half price or free.
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dqh · Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject:

He really looks butt high and at his age, I wouldn't think he will level out much more. Also looks bay in those photos, not buckskin. Can't see his pasterns due to the grass so can't tell what they are like.

There are so many proven stallions right now with low stud fees due to the market. I think you could do much better.
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surprisewind · Active Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 246

Precisely why I'm waiting for more pics and video!

My mare isn't proven in terms of reproduction - she had one foal that was injured before it was even registered. BUT we've been approved for and offered deals for every stallion we've looked at so far. She has an interesting pedigree and race record.

I was just sort of in love with this one's dam... anyway, I'm getting more info. This is something i can kind of play with, too, since I don't have to sell it.

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surprisewind · Active Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 246

I liked the female family because the mare and the mare's dam actually were ridden and competed at a high level and are proven producers. I also like the breeding program that produced the mare. Your advice to look for "parents that have produced black-type" is duly noted and already taken.

I'm not breeding to race, and MY mare has black-type, so I'm looking to cross her with a stallion that was bred for prowess in the arena. There are a LOT of horses that do not have AQHA points and that doesn't necessarily mean they haven't done anything noteworthy. My old guy has won a McMansion's worth of money and goodies as a team roping horse at the pro level but on paper looks like a worthless backyard beast.

Not defending the stallion, I was looking for critique, but I am quite careful with mare and my breeding decisions. I've also never, ever paid the advertised fee on any stallion.... If one starts with a quality mare, one can significantly lower breeding costs.

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surprisewind · Active Member Joined: 25 Jan 2005 Posts: 246

The people who bred the dam are known for sound, SANE, winning horses. Not all the info is on this site, but we all know this site doesn't have every bit of info. It only has the information people decide to post. I've found some amazingly cool things, some errors, some gaps, some missing horses... I've found it is quite often a good start for research and when I find something new I sometimes add it if I have verified the information. But as I'm sure you know, the best place to go for specifics about a horse's career are the people who have the trophies... or the race pictures... Personally, I prefer (when looking at stallions) talking to people who have no vested interest in the stallion or the get.
My mare's details are not on this site. I have all her "goodies" and when/if I decide to market a foal of hers, I will advertise like crazy. Until then, it's not really relevant. And the people breeding her half-sisters haven't put any info up either. The folks buying their weanlings/yearlings are more interested in the sales pages that have been put together than they are about a web site. There are some truly amazing researchers that contribute to this site, but I'm not sure that very many people realize that. I lurk the message board, so I see what goes into it. For example, Pat. Amazing.
My "old guy's" details are not on this site either. I haven't bothered... I was thinking about it but I don't have exact dates, and in some cases names of events. He was competed on heavily from 7-17... and I doubt anyone really cares. Maybe I should also post that he had the most upright pasterns I've ever seen. Seriously upright... nice shoulder, though.

"why are you breeding to race bloodlines..." I am breeding my "running quarter horse" (love the images that term brings up) POSSIBLY to an arena horse because it's actually done quite often, is marketable if I ever have to or want to sell, and etc. My mare's sire is on the list of leading barrel sires as well as several leading race sire lists. Had she not had an injury during a race that left her pasture sound, barrels would have been a second career for her. (It was not conformation related, there was a fall, a pile-up and another horse's shoe through her tendon sheath.)

I definitely got constructive criticism about the conformation of the stallion question, which is what I was looking for. Just as there are some fantastic researchers on this site, there are some people who have great skill at disassembling a horse.

It would be silly to assume that anyone's opinion would match mine. If I thought that, it would be equally silly to post a question.