Chilean horse

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:59 am Post subject: Chilean horse

Hello, Is anyone else here familiar with the Chilean horse? My father is from Chile and the #1 sport in Chile is Rodeo. The Chilean horse is Chilean stock horse and a sturdy beautiful one at that. They are short, muscular and compact like a foundation QH but with a much more Spanish look due to the fact they have not allowed any outcrosses since the breed began. I put in a few names on the allbreed query but didn't find any so I dont think they are on here. Here is a website about them....... http://www.chileanhorse.com/index.php
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject:

Hmmmm....Very interesting. Thank you! Pat
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dee of CA · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:40 pm Post subject: Chilean horse

There are a few on the DB.

I will look them up when I get over jet lag and post the names on the message board.

Dee of CA

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:53 pm Post subject:

"Jet Lag".....WOW....hope you had a good time! Pat
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dee of CA · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:24 pm Post subject: Chilean horse

Here are some horses posted on the DB. They are listed as Criollo or other.

Bayo Leon, 1858, Bronce, @1885, Alfil II 1908, Beduino, 1919, Derrota, 1919.

One that I did not enter is Pozo Azul Chacao, 1973 He is a more recent horse.

Other than that, I have no current info.

I know these are not current, but they are ancestors.

Thanks for the Chilean site.

Dee of CA

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Chilean horse

Your welcome, they are so pretty aren't they?
I wrote Randall Ray Arms on fb about putting some Chilean horses on allbreed. If the horses on here are Criollo they are not the Chilean horse breed, I asked Randall about that myself and he told me there are several differences and one is that the Chilean horse only comes in solid colors with normal white markings like socks and white faces, but no pintos or spotted patterns which are acceptable in the Criollo. He was supposed to send me some more information about it but it was going to be in Spanish and then when I told him I didn't speak Spanish he kinda scolded me for that since my father is from Chile Rolling Eyes

.But he still was going to send it and I just had to have my dad read it for me. So I'm still not sure if they are as related like our QH's and Paints, or not so much.
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dee of CA · Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:03 pm Post subject:

The information on the pedigrees of the mentioned horses is from theStud Book de La Raza Chileana, Sociedad Nacional de Agricultura, Chile 1937.

Criollo is only on because almost all horses from South America were called
Criollos. I know Argentina has entirely different pedigrees, except those that came from Chile.

The data base has no designation for these horses. So those pedigrees are from the above stud book.

Maybe I should just take the designation Criollo off and leave the registration numbers.

I dont speak Spanish, but know some words, figuring out the pedigrees was some job.

I will try to scan some photos to Pat and she can post them on the message board if she is okay with that.

Dee of CA

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:44 am Post subject:

I contacted Randall Ray Arms again and he did send me the article in Spanish but did say he would translate it for me and send me a English Version, so I told him Yes please! I would love that. But I do have the Spanish one now if you would like to have it. I told him a couple of the names of the horses and he knew of and about a few of them so I copied his note back to me so you could see, interesting story about Bayo Leon.

Dear Alicia.
This is the article I wrote that I was referring to but I thought I had translated it into English however I cant find that version. Maybe I never did that. I don't know if you read Spanish but I am sending the only version I seem to find of it. If you don't read Spanish let me know and I will translate it as I have wanted to do that anyway.
Beduino was a famous horse from the early 20th century bred by Hacienda Aculeo I think. Bayo Leon is the original prototype of the breed and he was considered the perfect Chilean Horse. He was born in 1858 before the registry was formed in 1893 but had a tremendous influence in the breed through descendants. He lived to be 24 years of age and died jumping a 6 foot fence to get to some mares during a breeding season when he had already gotten 9 mares in foal. A true testimony to the longevity of this breed. He was bred by one of the truly great Chilean Horse breeders Pedro de las Cuevas in El Parral de Doñihue. Pozo Azul I am not personally familiar with but it is a name of a Breeding establishment so it wouldn't surprise me that it refers to a horse and Derrota sounds like a mare and I am not familiar with her. But all these names surely are in the registry as until recently there was no limit on reusing names and thus we have the repeated throughout the registry which makes things confusing.
The accompanying article I think explains better than anything I have ever written why the Chilean Horse has nothing to do with the Criollo breed and what a shame it is that the name Criollo has been tossed around as a misnomer for the breed. Our own BOD of the breeders federation has been partially at fault for this tremendous injustice as they have wanted to continue being a part of the FICCC which to my way of thinking is an organization we have no reason to be a part of under the present definition of the organization that stipulates one breed/one registry. Those are political decisions that have harmed our breed that should ONLY be known as the Chilean Horse as it has so much prestige that it can readily stand on its own.
I am 150 miles away from where the epicenter of the big quake se we got hit hard but survived without major structural damage to the house although anything in the cupboards that was breakable broke. We lost a fence line down by the beach and it wiped out a nursery we had down there too but no harm to our staff or our horses thank goodness.
I have so many people that write me I need to be told a little more about you to remember our exchanges in the past but I hope I was of help t you. Know I will be glad to continue to help you in any way I can. Enjoy the article and if you need it translated let me know-

Regards Randall
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dee of CA · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 2:45 pm Post subject: Chilean horse

Thanks Alicia for sharing the info. I will go back on the DB and delete the reference to Criollo and replace it with Chilean Horse.

Glad that all was okay in Chile quake.

Phew lol: it is a big job.

Dee of CA

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Chilean horse

Your Welcome, I asked Randall if he knew of allbreedpedigree, he does own a few QH's also so maybe he has. It would be nice to see more of the Chilean horses on here. I would love to see the pictures you have especially the one of Bayo Leon, sounds as if he is some what of a Legend in Chile.
Yes, the Chile quake was a scary I have alot of family there but they were all ok.
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:18 pm Post subject:

Dee asked that I post this photo for her.

Pat
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rodeoratdogs · Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject:

Thanks Pat & Dee, Hey did you guys notice that on the Chilean horse site that there is a book posted that Randall Ray Arms wrote on the Chilean horse. I'm surprized I didn't notice it before, I guess I was too busy looking at the pictures. After reading just the introduction I was hooked, It's loaded with information on the breed and is a must read for anyone who loves horse history.

~Alicia

By the way Randall wrote me back and said he made a typo on Bayo Leons age when he died he was 34 not 24.........
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:30 pm Post subject:

Here's another Chilean Horse, circa 1920's that Dee sent me to post for her.

Here is the first Chilean Horse HUICANO, that Dee sent me that I inadvertently erased.

Pat
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