On Cloud Nine

[Pat Mefferd]

Frank,

What is your take on THORCHED?

I will add this....I do have notes from the ApHC, from a number of years ago....The sire of of HAYES' DAKOTA CLOUD was a "TB Remount, sorrel".

Like Susan says....this may never be documented....however if we don't pool our resources....we all have similar and different sources....we have a better chance to possibly document.

Like I have said....so very many times over the years, my motto is: I always keep an open mind, I try to learn something new everyday....and I guess I should add....I never give up (as my files are never closed)....there is always something more to the story that needs checking out.

Pat
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Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
http://members.tripod.com/~horsefame/fredkennedy.html

[whnywriter]

Pat,

You and Susan Larkin are much more adept at researching the Thoroughbreds then me.

My only observation would be in line with what you both have posted. Just because some puts TB Remount Stallion on a pedigree doesn't make it so. It could have been any un-registered stallion with some obvious or at least suspected TB breeding.

In the North Dakota of my youth (circa 1960s) there was more than one farmer or rancher that used un-registered studs of obvious good breeding. Papers weren't as critical to these men as they are today. They bred for their own use.

Along this line, this is exactly why so many early-day geldings by such famous stallions as King, Joe Reed, Joe Hancock, Leo and right down the line were never registered. They were geldings and their only job was to work. Papers didn't help them do this...

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[Pat Mefferd]

I agree, Frank...Just thought you might have some information about a horse named THORCHED and/or something about HAYES' DAKOTA CLOUD you might want to share.

ROMAN STRAW MAN is one of my all-time favorites.

One of my friends in Cottonwood has a gorgeous mare by IMA McCLOUD, which goes to this line...her name is CLASSYS ROCKN McCLOUD...here is her pedigree...Frank...you will like the "MIGHTY" line here.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=CLASSYS+ROCKN+MCLOUD&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

I need to get a photo of her.

Thanks, Pat
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Pat Mefferd, PM MEFFERD Pedigree Research, Anderson, CA. (Retired)
Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
http://members.tripod.com/~horsefame/fredkennedy.html

[whnywriter]

Pat,

The pedigree on your friend's mare is intriguing and I've studied many parts of it.

Do you or any of the others recall Big Lewie (named after Lewis Wartchow)? He was a classic Red Plaudit-looking leopard. His pedigee says he's by Mr. Big Wig and out of a QH mare named Bouncing Bet.

At one point, Lane Hudson leased Mighty Marshall and some great mares...Bouncing Bet, Bright Delight and Genivieve Peavy among them...to Hank Wiescamp.

Hank called Lane up one day to tell him his "old mare" Genievieve Peavy" had died. To begin with, Genievieve wasn't old. Then, when Lane asked when this had happened Hank said, "Oh, a couple of weeks ago." Lane smelled a rat and jumped in his car and drove down. He knew that Hank was too cheap to have any dead horse hauled off so he asked to see the body. Hank apparently sensed that Lane hadn't bought his story. He had one of his hired hands take Lane out to a carcass in a ditch. The carcass was past identifying but the "VZ" brand on the left shoulder might have been readable. Lo and behold, someone had backed a vehicle up to the ditch, dumped straw or hay on the left shoulder and set it on fire. Lane told me he knew deep down in his heart that Genieveve was not dead but lived out her life on the Wiescamp Ranch.

Getting back to the rest of the mares, Lane took them all back. The next spring, Bouncing Bet dropped the loud colored leopard colt that was Big Lewie.

There is no way this colt could be by Mr. Big Wig who didn't have a drop of leopard blood in him. I was stupid enough to spread my theory around and Lane, bless his heart, reamed me out about it. He said, "Where you there when I bred Mr. Big Wig to the mare?" Well, I wasn't for sure and I do take Lane at his word that he did make the cross. But it wouldn't be the first time that any of us have heard of a mare that accepts a stud and then comes in a "false heat" and accepts a stud again.

Big Lewis was a Red Plaudit...go back and look at the photos of him.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[Pat Sunstrom]

Where would one find a pic of Mr. Big Wig & Big Lewis?

BTW, a horrible story of Wiescamp. Totally unscrupulous. I'm willing to grant some human folibles to anyone but this is off the charts.
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Patricia
"The further backward you can look the further forward you are likely to see"~Sir Winston Churchill

[whnywriter]

Pat,

I can scan a color photo of Big Lewie from an old Appaloosa News. I had a wonderful color photo of Mr. Big Wig but I've suffered a major setback on my computer.

Somehow, when I transferred my historical photos from my old Gateway computer to my new HP one, I lost literally hundreds of photos that I have spent years scanning and saving. On the suggestion of a friend who suffered the same sort of loss, I have purchased a data recovery program called "Quick Recovery for NTFS."

I am not totally inept when it comes to downloading stuff, but I cannot get this program activated. I've been working with the tech support people in (where else but...) India, but to no avail. I'm going to take it into Kiowa next week and get a computer troubleshooter to help me.

My friend, Lew Eklund (owner of The Executive) knows less about computers than me but he got another friend to download the program and he recovered all of his lost "family photo treasure" files.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[Pat Mefferd]

Frank,

I certainly hope they can get to the bottom of your computer problems.

About a month or so ago, I got a terrible virus. Computer just locked up...couldn't get it to open anything. Very dis-hartening.

Thank the LORD for my two nephews and another family member....they are real "techies'. They were able to save everything. The things they did are too confusing for me to write about....I'm a real "dummie" on these technical things.

I feel very lucky to have them close at hand....I just run the dang thing, Ha!

I just got an email off to my friend who owns the mare I spoke of, hopefullyshe can get me a good photo of her. I visited with here on Wednesday, and should have asked then for a photo of "Classy"....I've also asked her to join in.

Yes, I do remember BIG LEWIE....as yet I don't have any photos of him scanned, nor do I of MR BIG WIG. I might run thru some AN and see if I can find them, and scan and post for you....

Pat
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Pat Mefferd, PM MEFFERD Pedigree Research, Anderson, CA. (Retired)
Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
http://members.tripod.com/~horsefame/fredkennedy.html

[Pat Sunstrom]

I had the very SAME thing happen w/my old Gateway! I have, literally, hundreds of pic's in there, also! It really took the wind out of my sails. Lots of time spent getting them loaded and cataloged and there they sit....grrrr.

THANKS for the software tip....I'll get to looking around for it up here!!
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Patricia
"The further backward you can look the further forward you are likely to see"~Sir Winston Churchill