Absarokee Sunset

[NZ Appaloosas]

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/absarokee+sunset

Is this pedigree and the information in the notes fully correct?



Diane
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[whnywriter]

I'll have to check my notes, but I don't think it's ever been known that the "Wildfire" in Absarokee Sunset's pedigree was indeed the Peavy horse. It remains a strong possibility because the Peavy Wildfire did wind up in MT.

The rest of the pedigree looks good. My dear friend Laura (Boggio) Brest rescued Flamingo of AA from a bad situation and registered him. I also owned a son of Sunset at one time...a black horse with a white blanket named Absarokee Rebel; I bought him from Dr. Dunham.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[NZ Appaloosas]

Thanks, Frank. Hubby's a fan of Absarokee Sunset (loved Waparokee when he was shipped out here), and last night he commented on there being a lot more info than when he last looked up the horse.



Diane
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[Pat Sunstrom]

Frank wrote;

[whnywriter]

Pat,

I'll call Laura Brest and get her to refresh my memory. As I recall, the horse was in a huge pasture of sadly under-nourished horses. Matt and Laura Boggio bought him, took him home and registered him. Later, he wound up being owned by Harold Atkins who Russell and Laura Brest both told me was one of the greatest cowboys of his day. Note for any newcomers: Laura Boggio and Laura Brest are one and the same. I do remember she told me that they took Flamingo home and put him in a corral with a constantly full hay rack. She said they didn't see his head for a week.

I know that Laura, Eunice Grewell and Betty Springer all maintained that Chief Navajo, Flaming's sire, was from a line of horses bred by Bert Babcock.

More after I've visited with Laura.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[Pat Sunstrom]

Ooohhh....you've got me now Frank!

Feel free to share what you find publicly or privately, re; Babcock/Buttleman! Do let Jan Davis know, also, if your in contact w/her! I know she's got pet theories.
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[whnywriter]

Pat S.

I'll call Laura tomorrow. She is one of my dearest friends and a mentor dating back to the 1970s. She's also a lady who lived what we're all just reading about. Laura, by the way, totally discounts Palmer Wagner's assertion that Chief Navajo was by Painter III. I simply cannot understand how a man of Palmer's apparent integrity could just keep on jumping to the kinds of conclusions he did about the early-day Appaloosas. He is, after all, the man who told us that Prince Plaudit was sired by Absarokee Sunset.

I've been around more sons and daughters of both horses than Palmer and I'm hear to tell you that his assertion defies logic. No two individuals and no two lines could have been more unlike...

Palmer should have restricted his "American Appaloosa Anthology" to just the Northwest horses...the ones he actually knew.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

By way of a little teaser, Laura knew Marcus Crowley and visited with him at length about his amazing "Esther" line of Appaloosas. This will be one of the first topics we tackle when I fire up the "horses...heroes...history" message board on my own website. Laura has amazing stories to tell and we're going to get them all down in print. I have the lion's share of her historical photos here in my office.

And...much to her dismay...I'll have to ask her to relay the story of how she competed at the very first Appaloosa World Performance Play-offs in Sedalia, MO in 1961 on Weaver's Smoke Signal. She was first up in the reining and the only woman in the class...the rest of the story will have to wait.

[Pat Mefferd]

Looking forward to your new website!

Pat
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[Pat Mefferd]

I am posting a photo from Bit & Spur Magazine Oct 1945 pg 14. I think Frank I forwarded it to you several months back, when we were discussing this line.

At the time, I did not know how to post photos....so here it is....



He was also known as SPARDAGUS



Pat
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[whnywriter]

Hi Pat,

Great photos; you sent me the first one but I'd never seen the second. This pretty well establishes the fact the the "Wildfire" in Absarokee Sunset's pedigree is the Marshall Peavy palomino!

Many people do no realize what a great horse breeder Marshall Peavy was. He bought Mary McCue in the 1920s at the Si Dawson dispersal, had Bob H...the greatest son of Old Fed; bred the Old Blue Mare...the greatest matron in the history of the Appaloosa breed; bred Ding Bob P-269; bought Sheik P-11 from Coke Roberds and sold him to the Matador Ranch; and bred Nick S...the sire of Nick Shoemaker and grandsire of Skipper W.

It has always been my firm believe that, had Marshall not been killing in the prime of his life in a freak horse accident, there might not have ever been a Hank Wiescamp. Marshall was not only a great horse breeder; he was a great horseman whose mare Margie P-222 is singularly responsible for the early AQHA scrapping its plans to grade all horses...with bulldogs on top and any horse showing any TB on the bottom.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[ftfotb]

[whnywriter]

Susan,

It's detailed in the forward of From Bob Denhardt's book, "Foundation Sires of the American Quarter Horse" on pages 29 through 31. It begins near the bottom of page 29 with: "The real firworks came during and after the Quarter Horse show held at the old Fort Worth Coliseum."

Denhardt repeated this tale in an old QHJ; I read it at the time but have no clue now which issue it was in. In a perfect world, I would hire a "horse-savvy" young person to start indexing some of these important articles; maybe even copying them so I'd have them readily available as references.

Frank

[whnywriter]

Here's a little further clarification of the AQHA founding fathers' original registration plan..again, from Denhardt:

"All bona fide Quarter Horses [i.e. "Billy" bulldog horses] were to be registered with an "A" after their number to show that the animal was of the approved type. Those whose bloodlines and conformation indicated about one-fourth outside blood were to be registered with a "B" after their number. Those who were definitely borderline in conformation, or who had only half Quarter Horse blood, were to be registered as "C" horses. Our intention was to limit all "other blood" to Thoroughbred, although in practice this rule proved to be elastic."

The judge who named Margie GCM at both Tucson and Fort Worth was AQHA Hall of Fame inductee Jim Minnick, one of the greatest horsemen of his era; the AQHA's chief inspector and an ex-polo player.

As an aside, Margie P-222 was by Ding Bob P-269 and out of Papoose an un-registered Appaloosa mare by Bob H (by Old Fred) and out of Blue Mare by Bob H.

Frank Holmes
Kiowa, CO

[ftfotb]

Thank you, Frank. I knew about Denhardt's writing; I didn't know if there was another story in there somewhere.

Some of the horses that were denied AQHA papers (including many from the NQHBA) were better quality and would have contributed more to the breed than the ones that automatically "qualified" by pedigree or type in Denhardt or Michaelis' ideal bulldog world. AQHA missed some opportunities to add some mighty fine horses to their gene pool.

I find it ironic that NQHBA accepted horses by pedigree/blood; AQHA, in the early years, required inspections, saying that accepting horses by bloodlines only wasn't good enough. Many NQHBA horses were denied advancement to AQHA, yet today, we see "foundation" QH (and Appaloosa) breeders breeding by bloodlines and percentages to "preserve the breed." What? No inspections? IMO, many would not pass if inspections were implemented today.

I've seen the same sort of prejudices against some fine Appaloosas that might have had a little bit "too much white", as in Overo markings. A good horse is never the wrong color or pattern.

If only people would study what the bloodlines and types were that created the greatest horses of the breed. If they want to breed great horses, then try to duplicate that!

Susan
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[SaltRiverApps]

Thank you for posting the photos and information on Spadigus, a.k.a. Wildfire.

I really enjoy learning about the Peavy line and history.
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