Trigger

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: Trigger

Pat M. I have a question about Trigger, you put the info here right?
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/trigger11

and you got it from his PHA papers here right?
http://www.happytrails.org/_images/trigger/03-sm-Illustration%20Photo.jpg

I believe this to be accurate, so I was wondering if you could give me more info on where the PHA papers were found and why one should believe they are the original Triggers papers. I am discussing this on another forum that had different information, basically that sire was TB stallion and out of grade mare. I found the original Trigger papers on the happytrails site several months ago.
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject:

Alicia....

Those are TRIGGER's registration papers. You will notice that in pencil on the right hand side is "Trigger/old man". Old Man is what Roy fondly called him.

I believe one of Roys kids made a copy of those registration papers forLeo Pando, who used some of my photos of TRIGGER in his last book.

TARZAN was not a TB, nor did I put that in his notes here. It is possible that thru TARZAN's lineage he may have carried some Thoroughbred blood.

APAC was a palomino grade mare.

If you want a copy of my photos with my Stepdad on TRIGGER, and my Mother on TRIGGER, at the Hudkins Ranch, who owned him at the time....you can email me privately at...

pmpedigree@gmail.com

Pat
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rodeoratdogs · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 7:17 pm Post subject:

Thank you Pat, I didn't see that his sire was a TB anywhere on here but on another forum. Yes I would absolutely love to see the pictures you have and I will email you privately for those.
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warchief · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:13 pm Post subject:

About 20 years ago I got copies of Trigger's reg app from his file at the PHA office in Jefferson City, Mo. It is the same as the one here.

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 9:16 pm Post subject:

Oh that is interesting! thanks warchief.
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x factor fan · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:36 am Post subject:

Perhaps part of the confusion is about which Trigger folks are talking about?

Pat, please correct me, but wasn't the first Trigger the one that was part TB? I saw an interview with Roy Rogers where he talked about Trigger being sired by a TB. And some of the very early Roy Rogers films have Roy riding a horse that flattened out at a dead run like TB's do.

The other Trigger was the one that knew all the tricks.

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:23 am Post subject:

I heard Roy say that Trigger's sire was a TB steaks winner at a Cal track. Trigger was born in 1932 on Bing Crosby's ranch. There is a US born TB named Tarzan foaled in 1928. Could Trigger have been a test colt for one of Bing's studs?

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:32 am Post subject:

Oops!! Trigger was foaled in 1934. Sorry

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:02 am Post subject:

x factor the confusion is about the first Trigger, weather or not he was actually sired by a full TB or not. His registration papers say the his sire was a Palomino so in if that were true then his sire probably not full TB. IMO he doesn't even look TB. The second Trigger, "Trigger Jr" is actually a TWH. Here is a site I found by the author Leo Pando Pat mentions above you might find interesting, I love all the pics. The second link is a video I found on you tube of Roy on Trigger Jr doing a song and dance, Trigger Jr is doing the dance part:)

http://www.b-westerns.com/hoss-rr.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg2C_EIea0
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:10 am Post subject:

I'm really busy on another project.

The photos I sent to Alicia are of the original TRIGGER, the horse Roy had stuffed and mounted, the photo I sent Leo Pando for his book.

He was not by a Thoroughbred horse, I just don't have time to get into it right now.

The "Trigger" in the U-Tube is not the original TRIGGER...it is one of many TRIGGERS....I suppose if I had time I could tell you which "Trigger" it was.

Pat
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:12 am Post subject:

I will also add that it was Ace Hudkins of the Hudkins Brothers Movie Ranch, where my Stepdad, kept and trained his falling horses, and where TRIGGER was acquirred by Roy Rogers. Pat
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Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
http://members.tripod.com/~horsefame/fredkennedy.html

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:28 am Post subject:

I stand corrected, I believe that Trigger that is in the you tube video is Little Trigger, not Trigger Jr. The original Trigger was easy to tell apart from Trigger Jr and Little Trigger becacause original Trigger only had 1 hind sock. Trigger Jr both had 4 high whites, but if you look at the photos of Trigger Jr his right hind sock went much higher that Little Triggers like a Sabino type marking.
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warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject:

The sire of Trigger Jr's dam was a sabano

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 1:51 pm Post subject:

The horse in the u-tube video is probably Little Trigger. It definately not Trigger or Trigger Jr

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject:

Yep Little Trigger, It actually says that Little Trigger was featured exclusively in The Son of Pale Face in that link I posted above, I noticed after I had already figured it out.....lol. Did you see that book on there "An Illistated histoy if Trigger"? I think I need to ad that to my birthday/Christmas wish list.
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