Trigger

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject:

I have it. I just can't get to it right now

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:04 pm Post subject:

I'm sorry, but I see nothing on the app that shows Tarzan to be a palomino or that shows he wasn't a TB. It also dosn't say he was either. As for his dam, dark palominos were sometime refered to as light chesnunt. I'll go with Roy's stateement that Tarzan was a TB. I was told this by Roy's secretary years ago,I've been looking for his breeding for almost 30 years and have to go with the app and Roy's statements.Not trying to argue, just going with my own research. I guess we'll never know for sure now.

warchief · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:13 pm Post subject:

Oops. I can't believe after all these years that I missed the color or sire on the app. The only palomino named Tarzan that I can think of right off hand was a son of Yellow Wolf or Yellow Jacket. I don't know where he went after he left the Waggoner ranch.

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:16 pm Post subject:

And to top it off the horse rearing w/RR on ABDB is NOT the original TRIGGER, registerd GOLDEN CLOUD PHA.

Pat
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:27 pm Post subject:

NOT that TARZAN by Yellow Wolf.

I sent, via email to Alicia...the photo of TRIGGER (GOLDEN CLOUD) w/my Stepfather in the saddle along with some others, with my Mom in the saddle. This was the placed where Fred trained his and others falling horses...it was Hudkins Bros. Movie Ranch, in the Hollywood Hills, Ca.

My photos are from 1940....it is true, Roy had made arangements to by him, but Ace Hudkins, kept the horse until he was paid off.

Warchief...I can email you those photos, if you like. All my information on this horse, I can document time and time again. I knew the folks involved and have stayed in touch. I even talked with a woman today on another project....who also knew many of these movie horses and was Les Hilton (TV's MR ED), neighbor.

I guess the myths will still follow GOLDEN CLOUD around for the end of time.

Tomorrow, I will be talking with another person who was and is still in the movie livestock business, on this project that I am working on. He Knew Roy and Dale well. My friends Maxine and Whitey Christensen, Whitey's Mom took care of Roy's kids after his first wife and before Dale came into the picture.

If I'm repeating myself, forgive me....I'm tired, eyes hurt on the computer way too many hours.

Don't mean to sound like a "know-it-all"....but I've worked very hard to obtain and explain and share the truth. The TB thing was a promotional thing. How could one say they had no idea who TRIGGERS folks were?
Simple as that.

Pat
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rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:48 pm Post subject:

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 5:58 pm Post subject:

This is right now isn't it? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/trigger11
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:04 pm Post subject:

Alicia...that one is correct.

The photo for GOLDEN CLOUD is wrong.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+cloud3

Pat
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http://members.tripod.com/~horsefame/fredkennedy.html

rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:21 pm Post subject:

Ohhhhhhhhh, I didn't know he was in the ABDB under both names, I'll fix it.
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rodeoratdogs · Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 6:28 pm Post subject:

There we go, same pose, right horse Very Happy

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/golden+cloud3
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Appy51 · Yearling Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 19 Location: PA

If anyone needs information on Trigger Jr, my uncle Paul K Fisher of Souderton,PA raised him and my cousin taught him to do quite a few tricks.
When my uncle was in the hospital, Roy Rogers had Trigger Jr. brought there and my uncle actually had photos taken for the newspaper with him on Trigger Jr with the nurses standing around.
I would be glad to put you in touch with my cousin.
The Fishers had one of the largest Palomino farms in the country with over 200 reg. Palomino mares in PA plus over 60 Palomino mares of Quarter horse bloodlines on their Texas ranch.
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rodeoratdogs · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:27 pm Post subject:

Hey Appy51, gosh you know that is really so nice of you to offer. I guess we should learn from experience to strike while the irons hot and get information while there is still people around that actually remember. It seems to me that Trigger Jr atleast has a full pedigree on ABDB and I am familiar with his breeding as I exercized a retired show Roan Allen bred TWH when I was younger............. I'm not seeing Little Trigger on the DB though???
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:28 pm Post subject:

I wished I had time to pick your brain on Fisher's Palominos. I do know he appears in many of the pedigrees I've researched.

A couple of us on this board, have acquirred some of the early PHA Stud Books, as well as the PHBA Stud Books. Do you have access to any of the Stud Books?

thanks, Pat
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x factor fan · Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 10:03 pm Post subject:

Pat,

When you have time:

Have you any clue about statements made by Roy Rogers about Trigger's breeding? I've seen the interview with Roy where he claims that Trigger's sire was a TB. If this is not true why say it? And statements from Roy may be where the rumor about Trigger's breeding come from and why they don't die. Video is forever.

Appy51 · Yearling Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 19 Location: PA

Pat, The only book I have is the 1944 Palomino Parade Year Book and Stud Registry Vol. 8. I picked it up when I helped my cousin move some things.
Let me know if you need any info. from it. So many nice looking horses and the people's outfits are pretty cool also!
Wish I had one or two of the saddles pictured!
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