MAN OF WAR (noted as being TB)

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 8:07 am Post subject: MAN OF WAR (noted as being TB)

MAN OF WAR does not appear in any of my ASB's....

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/man+of+war6

I'm thinking he was either registered under another name, or never registered or is Half-TB.

MAN OF WAR was a top rated California stock horse in the 1920's. I believe that he was gelded.

Pat
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Linda_D · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 9:22 am Post subject:

I thought you were talking about the famous TB at first. He's listed as Man O' War on the TB database.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/man+o+war

I don't believe that the JC would allow a horse to be registered as Man Of War because it's too close to Man O' War. It's one of those names that is "reserved" and can't be reused, even if it's not exactly the same.

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:59 pm Post subject:

I know about "reserved" names. It would depend on when MAN OF WAR was foaled, in comparison to "thee" MAN O'WAR, had MAN OF WAR been registered with the Jockey Club. MAN O'WAR was not born "famous".

MAN OF WAR does not seem to appear in any of the HBSB's I thru III ( years spanning 1918 - 1935). He could have been registered later in the ARA???

Are any stock horse folk familiar with M.R. "Val" Valdez? He broke and trained this horse and also showed him in stock horse classes.

Pat
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summerhorse · Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject:

The first Man Of War listed here (1888) is real, the ones that are 5 and 6 do not exist. They should be Man O' War (Fair Play x Mahubah)

If he was a stock horse then he probably was not a registered TB, more likely a half bred at that time. At any rate he isn't listed on pedigree query.
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:57 am Post subject:

Summerhorse....I beg to differ....in those early years, many registered off track (retired) Thoroughbreds were used and shown as Stock Horses....and did very well!

The MAN OF WAR that I speak of, was probably a product of "remount" breeding.
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summerhorse · Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:02 pm Post subject:

I didn't say that TBs couldn't be stock horses just that THIS one probably was not being as he wasn't registered as such. He could have been an unregistered horse of course.
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Pat Mefferd · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:14 am Post subject:

Geese...Haven't been here in a long time! Interesting that this subject is brought back again. Since this inquiry on the unregistered horse known as MAN OF WAR, trained, ridden and shown by M.R. Valdez....I have since met a person who's mentor was close friends with M.R. Valdez...back in the days...and who spoke often of the great stock horse MAN OF WAR...who by all accounts was called a Thoroughbred, but may not have been, as I've stated before 100% Thoroughbred. HAPPY NEW YEAR! PMM
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Appy51 · Yearling Joined: 16 Jun 2009 Posts: 19 Location: PA

Wow, an App I had a few years back had Man Of War in her background and silly me, thought it was THE Man O War! Friends use to tease me and call her Jack O War because we called her Jack!
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