Pedigree Information Is being Violated

Lucilla

Someone is going into the Pedigree Information and changing everything around. Who can help with this problem? All of my horse's pedigrees were violated.
Any ideas? Mad

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Dee

whnywriter · Active Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 429

Hi Dee,

"Violated" seems to be a pretty strong word...it conjurs up all sorts of images of unnatural behavior...

On a more serious note, there is only one way to fix all of this counter-productive tinkering and that is to give CERTAIN people...who are hopefully proven authorities in one or more areas of pedigree research...the ability and mandate to "lock" pedigrees after they are certified by them to be accurate.

Until then, this portion of Del Mar pedigrees will always be exactly what it is...a sometimes accurate; sometimes horribly-inaccurate; sometimes frustrating; and sometimes tremendously amusing amateur pedigree board.

I research a lot of pedigrees for my books and NEVER, EVER accept a Del Mar pedigree at face value. That's not to say that many (most, even...) of the pedigrees are not accurate. It's just that all the pedigrees on the site are vunerable to just the kind of needless tinkering that frustrates you (and me...).

Frank Holmes

Lucilla · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 12:31 pm Post subject: Violated

Yep, it's pretty strong alright. I would say changing mares to geldings and making them TB or QH's instead of what they are is pretty sad.
I take major offense at this and I use that site quite a lot in my ads. I don't care if you don't use it, I do. It's an aid and that's what it was meant to be.
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Dee

whnywriter · Active Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 429

Dee,

I did not say I didn't use the Del Mar pedigees in my research. I said I never took them at face value.

You obviously know a great deal about Arabian pedigrees; I wouldn't know one if it ran over me. I do, on the hand, know a little bit about Quarter Horse, Paint Horse and Appaloosa pedigees. So, just as you are able to recognize when some Arabian pedigrees have been tampered with, or are just plain inaccurate to begin with, so am I able to recognize that same when it comes to Quarter Horse, Paint Horse and Appaloosa pedigress.

How about the neophytes that utilize the Del Mar site? For the most part, they cannot recognize the inaccuracies so they wind up accepting them as gospel and perpetuate them.

That is why I don't accept the Del Mar pedigrees as being always 100 percent accurate. I do refer to them and use them; but I always try to weigh them against other sources.

Frank Holmes

Lucilla · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject: Data Base

Making human mistakes is much different then what just happend to my horses pedigrees. I put their pedigrees up and I took them from their registration papers which are from The Arabian Horse Registry. That registry's mistakes are far and few and that is not my point anyway.
My point is, that the information I put up was deliberately altered by someone. That's not Ok. Shocked

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Dee

Lucilla · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 2:16 pm Post subject: I'm not saying any names

because I do not want this post removed but I know who did this. That, that person is able to do this to someone is beyond me. I'm very upset about this and again the moderators really can't do anything. I'm just frustrated Sad

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Dee

whnywriter · Active Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 429

Dee,

Again, I say: The only way this type of apparently-maliceous behavior is going to be impeded and/or stopped is for Del Mar to adopt a system through which, after certain accuracy requirements are met, posted pedigrees can be "locked"...and only "unlocked" by the person who "locked" them.

That would seem to be a very viable solution for your particular situation.

Frank Holmes

dee of CA · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:30 pm Post subject: locking pedigrees

I agree Frank. No one should be able to change Man O Wars pedigree or
any well known horses. I think that after a pedigree is verified it should be locked. Only after research shows that new information has been discovered, should any changes be made.

Dee of CA

Lucilla · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject: Good Statements

I have requested from Miles to lock my pedigrees. I would be more then happy to send him a copy of the registration papers on all of my horses.
It's so upsetting to me that someone would take the time and trouble to be so mean.
My horses have great pedigrees and I feel like someone has broken into my house so to speak. I'm trying to calm down but it's hard. Sad

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Dee

Lucilla · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 4:47 pm Post subject: Frank

Frank,
Thank you for being helpful and I'm sorry I was so upset. I'm just not use to people doing that to horses much less people. Embarassed

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Dee

whnywriter · Active Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 429

Dee of California:

Long time no hear...

You would be one of the leading candidates (in my humble opinion) to be a "pedigree locker."

Frank Holmes

P.S. I need to get together with you sometime this spring or summer. I would like all of you input and/or opinions on the Clara Wilkins Appaloosas...specifically how you feel Juaquin is bred and your family's early connections to Wilkins.

I am going to make one last ditch attempt to do some sleuthing in the Alamosa, Colorado, area. As far as I'm concerned the Juaquin part is the ONLY shred of truth in either Prince Plaudit's and King Plaudit's pedigrees.

George Brunelli, Hank Wiescamp's long-time employee (and primary handler/breeder/showman of the Wiescamp Appaloosas) is likely the only man who knows the truth.

dee of CA · Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2005 5:14 pm Post subject:

Pat Sunstrom · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 115

Frank,

I think you know my personal interest in Clara Wilkins and Juaquin!

I've been researching my Grandmother's, Margaret Besecker, original pedigree notes for a LONG time. If you think you have anything you could share or we could compare notes......

Pat Sunstrom

whnywriter · Active Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 429

Pat Sunstrom,

Sorry Pat...I get confused from time to time. It's you that I want to discuss Clara Wilkins and Juaquin with.

Once I've made my trip to Alamosa, I'll get in touch with you and we can compare notes.

Frank

Pat Sunstrom · Member Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 115

Frank,

LOL, I'm not sure.....I'm thinking, perhaps, that your still looking for Pat Medford (she is a guru here), but we have conversed, lightly, before.

We're all missing Pat M. here though.

Have a good, productive(!) trip though!!

Pat Sunstrom