GHOST OF COMANCHE (ApHC)

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:08 am Post subject: GHOST OF COMANCHE (ApHC)

Carol...I am making a new topic for GHOST OF COMANCHE.

GHOST OF COMANCHE ApHC 40475. Lt Blue Roan/black spots over loin/hips, blaze face; Stallion, foaled 1962.

Race Record: AAA Stakes Winner, 9 wins, $8407.06; Won Kansas Futurity 1964; Champion 3 Yr Race Colt 1965; set NWR 250 Yds 13.82; Missouri Derby Winner 1966. Lifetime Official RR....22 starts, 9 wins, 2 seconds, 2 thirds.

Sire Record: Sire of 72 ApHC foals, 2 Halter PE's (4.0 Pts), 5 Performance PE's (43.0 Pts), 14 Starters, 7 Winners, 2 Stakes Winners, 2 Stakes Placers, w/official earnings of $38,944.72, 2 Race Champions, 1 Bronze Medallion Winner, 1 ROM, 2 Superiors, 1 Youth National Champion, 1 Res National Champion, etc.

Note: He was #2 Leading Sire of ApHC $ Earners 1970, 2nd LS Race Winners 1971; Former Leading Broodmare Sire ApHC Race.

Compliments of PM MEFFERD Pedigree Research
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Carol · Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:11 am Post subject:

You're the Woman!! (all bow down) Tee hee

Carol · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:25 pm Post subject:

Here is a link to Mansfields Comanche that has gobs of really interesting stuff on it.

http://www.appaloosamuseum.org/HallOfFame/Mansfield%27sComanche.html

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject:

Too bad they have the wrong breeding for DR HOWARD (TB Remount). Unfortunately the ApHC does not seem to think that correct pedigree's are correct. A definate thorn under my saddle blanket! Pat
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Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
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Carol · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:51 am Post subject:

So is it right for Mansfields Comanche and his dam, and only wrong for his sire, or both sire and dam are wrong?

Pat Mefferd · Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 5:26 pm Post subject:

Carol...The pedigree for MANSFIELD'S COMANCHE's sire DR HOWARD (TB Remount) is listed correctly on this site....as for his dam JUANITA...the pedigree for her listed here, is also correct, or at least corresponds with all the published information on this mare.

The story goes, that Jack Mansfield purchased the ranch with a large number of "free running" Appaloosa's on it. It is said that he sold off a number of them, and kept some for breeding stock.

Who really knows if JacK Mansfield actually "breed" MANSFIELD'S COMANCHE. Jack however did advertise him as being by DR HOWARD (TB) by THE PORTER (TB) out of JANET BLAIR (TB). Evidently Jack also touted DR HOWARD as being a TB Remount Stallion.

Where Jack Mansfield got this pedigree on the registered TB DR HOWARD, who was a Remount Stallion...no one knows...probably out of the "air" so to speak...a figment of someones imagination.

THE PORTER and JANET BLAIR did not produce a colt by the name of DR HOWARD. If you pull up the pedigree of MANSFIELD'S COMANCHE
on this site, you will see the notes I have added.

DR HOWARD (TB Remount) did stand at William Anson's ranch, Christoval, Texas....In 1932 DR HOWARD was still in the possesion of William Anson's wife (William had since passed on), the main portion of the Anson ranch had been leased to Lea Aldwell, along with many of the horses. In 1932 Lea Aldwell, bred at least 2 Quarter Mares to DR HOWARD, and in 1933 produced 2 foals that were later registered AQHA.

Frank Holmes and I had discussed this back a year or so ago. Manfield's ranch was said to be about 250 miles from the Anson ranch...a long way to travel to breed an Appaloosa Mare to. Some say that Mansfield aquired/purchased DR HOWARD...however the Remount records do not indicate that he was sold to or leased to Mansfield.

My question is...why did Mansfield, if he actually owned or even bred to DR HOWARD...why did he not know the correct pedigree?

Chances are that the pedigree of MANSFIELD'S COMANCHE is really unknown.

Pat
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Pat Mefferd, PM MEFFERD Pedigree Research, Anderson, CA. (Retired)
Proud daughter of Fred Kennedy (1982 Stuntmans Hall of Fame)
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Carol · Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:34 am Post subject:

WEll, as the short little guy with glasses used to say on Laugh-In.... (as he hid in the bushes)

V-e-r-r-r-y Interesting!

I love learning all this. I spent all day at the Cowgirls hall of fame museum in Ft. Worth, at the grand opening ceremonies, and could have easily spent a week!

I can't remember who, but one of those ladies that was there that day, who was being recognized, she died last year, and I am positive it said she was thrown off her horse. Her age was perhaps in the nineties, maybe eighties. There I'll be, on my dying day.!!!