Do HYPP N/N horses get the AQHA World Titles? Please Share.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject:

Oh I have definitely found that reiners are nice. They are some of the most laid back people I have ever met. When I am at a show, I want to have a good time. I make jokes and try to have the best time while being there. I have found that in other disciplines, that is not the case. They are to stuck on winning that meeting new people doesn't even matter to them. Yeah winning is awesome, but meeting new people could help you improve on your skills and in the future make you a better horseman/woman, shower, breeder, etc.

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject:

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

The problem you are having with his changes is probable b/c you need to work on his hip movement. Go back to the walk and move his hip back and forth. Once he can do this then move it up to the trot and do it again move it back and forth until all you have to do it touch him. Them move up to the lope and push his hip over both directions. do not ask for the change just push it over then let him straighten back up. Once you can do this at all the gates the change will just come. If you do not have control of his hips you will have a hard time being consitant in the lead change.

Also take it slow one your lopeing and troting. You need him to be very consistant in speed at each gate before moving up. People do not put enough ephisses on speed control in the circles. This is where you can get +1 where a lot do not. You should be able to set a speed at the start and keep that speed until YOU ask for a change.

Yes putting a hummer on a horse is a very good way to transision down to the slow circles. If he dose not come down with in a stride or 2 drag him into the ground and them lope off and ask again. Will only take a time or 2 and he will get it. If he bracks from the lope into a trot let him go then transition down into the walk. Do not push him back up or you will lose what you are trying to teach him.

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nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

You will find that I do not like to fight I just have very set Ideas and have the cridetionals to back them up. Before you start to get defensive you need to ask what a person has done and what their experiance is. I still after all this time have mentores I still call for advice. The mare you do not like. I had Shawn wanting to lease her a few years back but kept her in the show ring instead. I have embryos out of her sold. She cost me nothing to keep and has not for about 4 years now. I could easally sell her for about $60K+ with just a few words to a select few people. She can easally mark a 73-74 in NRHA Open compitition then go the next day and mark a 143 in NRCHA compition.

I own 5 horses and each and every one of them have very proven sires and dams. Each horse on their papers is proven as a show horse and/or as a breeding horse. Sold my one stallion b/c he was only a g-son of Doc O'Lena and out of a G-daughter of Peppy San. Very nice horses great show horse just not close enough to have the return on investment that I want right now.

At some point I may get anouther stallion but again return on investment is much better with mares. sell an embryo out of them and that pays for their keep for the year and give you some nice coin to take the jet skies out for a very long and nice vacation.
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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:00 pm Post subject:

I never said I didn't like your mare. I actually like her a lot. I just don't really like how she is or was being stopped. I like to have my horses stop with a loose rein and that is what I love about my colt. He needs zero contact. That word whoa is all he needs and he is stopped. I kind of like the way you teach humming. I think I will try that. I have already taught him humming on the ground and he did fantastic with it. He did great and he had no trouble with that at all, so I wont be surprised if he is good at it under saddle, but when I do, I will keep your method in mind. I have not stressed his lead changes, but the way you do it is the way I do it. I kind of like to mess around with the new ones for their first rides to see what they know and don't know. That is why I know my guy needs work in that department.

I too own 5 horses. A few are cutting bred, one is a Peptoboonsmal g-son(smart peppy boon), one is a daughter of jae bar prince (sprats nene, which I have also turned into a barrel racer and she is my 15 second one), one is a paint (R Lil Banker) I am not sure what she is bred for since I am not much of a paint person, but I do know that I have turned her into one fine barrel racer, so that is what she will be. My colt, Heza Lady Wrangler is my reiner and possibly barrel horse as well, and also another horse that we call Lonesome. I lost his registration papers, so I am not sure on his full name, but he is some what a team penner. He is pretty fast as well, but will remain a team penner.

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

If you really look at that picture you will notice that it was snapped at the very beginning of the stop. If it had been taken just a few monts latter it would have been a very differnt immage. If you watch even Shawn you will notice that they pick pu on the reins and they are tight at the begginnig of a stop. You will find that once you start showing and running full out at a show where you have quite a bit invested you too will make contact with the reins then reliese. Shawn is a master at this. Zan Freckles Hickory who is arguable the best stopper starts the stop on a tight rein and then when Shawn released him his nose would litterly drag the ground. Boy he could stop. If you really look at that pictures it is the perfect stop. She has her rear in the ground her frount is elivated shoulder is free her legs are still loping she is giving to the bit very well almost to the vertical. These are all the things you want in a stop. Now if she had been digging her front into the ground and her nose out and her shoulder had been tided up then yes the tight looking rein would have been a result of her not wanting to stop. If you start looking at stop pictures you will start to see a patern. The photos are taken more twaeds the end of the stop. You will not see the beginning of the roster tail. You will also see that although the riders had is tipically down take a good look at the bit. It is back a bit at the shank and the reins are not draped down much at all. Bill had is up in this stop b/c he was doing his run downs with a very draped loose rein. Think about what the menuvers mush have looked like with a rein that long, The drap would have to just above her knees. Very nice picture. Then the stop. Yes at this moment is time they are tight however in about anouther 4 feet his had would be back down and the reins will be down to about her shoulder. Very nice looking picture. When you consider that the stop is about 30-35 feel long and what you are seeing is the first 5-6 feel of the stop just think what the rest looked like. I will say from the judges oppion that was a plus 1 stop. She marked very well that day. Even with bad footing in part of the arena. She dose not like showing there.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject:

I did notice that she had great form. The head dragging on the ground is why I love KR Lil Conquistador so much. He would do an excellent sliding stop with his head way down and then in his back up, man o man is he an awesome horse or what? Yeah I have come across a lot of crappy barrel racing arenas that are crappy in a few areas. Again, you are right, but Shawn is a master at everything reining. By the end of his career, he will have all of the titles and records at the rate he is moving.

warchief · Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject:

I always thought the best way to deal with the N/H, H/H problem was with a sharp knife.

pocomoonskyeyes · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:01 am Post subject: I don't understand

Kathy · Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 5:57 pm Post subject:

Linda_D · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:09 am Post subject:

I think that many people who have/breed/train performance horses don't care for the Impressive line because it's not noted for producing athletic horses. The heavy-muscled Impressive-bred horses (which, IIRC, may be a result of the HYPP gene) that have dominated AQHA halter classses over the past 30 years or so aren't noted for doing much beyond looking pretty at the end of lead in a halter class or trotting around a ring in a western pleasure class.

The presence of HYPP is only an additional reason to dislike them.

Kathy · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject:

Maybe that is why we like our little mare like we do, she is Impressive bred on the mares side but not on the sire side. A lot of the big winning halter Impressive bred horses that win/won are Impressive top and bottom.

This mare is built like a stocky cow horse should be. My daughter has compteted a lot with her in games and some halter, but she isn't tall enough to compete with most of the QH or APPY mares that she is up against in halter. Now running, that is a different story. This little mare can excel fast enough to flip you over her back side if you are not ready for second gear when you ask for it..... Very Happy

Thanks for the reply. Sorry you don't care for the Impressive name, some good ones out there, but I think someone said it before in this or another post, there are horses in every breed that we like or don't like. I just like to hear what a person feels about the Impressive line besides the "HYPP" reason if they say they don't like them. That reason or claim has been covered pretty well. Now if other breed registries will stop allowing them in maybe HYPP can someday be a thing of the past.
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Linda_D · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 7:25 am Post subject:

Kathy,

I didn't mean that I don't like Impressives. I was just giving a reason that many performance people don't like them. The AQHA has become very specialized, with not only some bloodlines noted for producing running horses (Dash For Cash) or halter horses (Impressive) but also for some lines that produce primarily reiners or primarily cutters or primarily barrel racers, etc.

Some lines cross over multiple disciplines, however. For example, barrel racing requires speedy horses, so barrel racers would welcome Dash For Cashes or other horses bred for racing ability. OTOH, lines bred primarily for halter showing generally don't add much to lines bred primarily for barrel racing -- or most other of the major performance disciplines.

warchief · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:26 pm Post subject:

Impressive sired 89 performance ROM and only 43 Halter ROM. Of these 21 were AQHA Champions. Sounds like an all round sire to me

Linda_D · Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: