Appaloosa Color Registry

[NZ Appaloosas]

Have you priced flights between USA and New Zealand? Remember, I'd have to take hubby along, and that means bringing the not-quite-a-sprog-anymore-daughter, so I'd be looking at 3 tickets.

That said, I did see Wap Spotted in person many many moons ago, when I wandering horseshows in that portion of the US, and fell in love with him then, so I did have that advantage.



Diane
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[Pat Mefferd]

[Pat Mefferd]

An additional note....QH conformation/build vs color (Appaloosa/Paint/Palomino/Dun, etc)

When you order a chocolate sunday....do you order a cherry on top?

Pat
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[JR]

Pat, there are simply some trolls out there that are not worth your time. Have a Happy Easter.
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[Pat Mefferd]

Just reading an article....had to kind of laugh at this statement...

"“deep chested and a great butt with a blanket of color that would make any Nez Perce sing”....from Robert Stave's descritpion of of his blue roan Appaloosa mare.

Aren't QH's known for thier deep chests and great butts?

Pat
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[Pat Mefferd]

OK...Faceman,

Evidently you wish to remain anonymus, thats your choice of course...but makes me question why? But Welcome anyway!

[Pat Mefferd]

Robyn.....

I'm going back thru some of these posts. In one of your early posts, you questioned about ponies being allowed into the ApHC.

Its been going on for some a very long time.

GOBLIN was registered ApHC and POA....many years ago. His height depended on how long his feet were at the time. Let him grow out...he seemed taller, trim him down to where his hoof length should be...he was a POA! Even after being registered as a POA and depending on the height of his foals, deciphered which registry they would go into.

The same is true with another Appaloosa of a couple years ago...who's name excapes me now.

The POA is no longer a "pony" breed. I think they registered up to 14.2 hands. To me that is a small horse, not a pony....but of course that is my opinion.

The word "pony" means different things to different folks.

If the ApHC deems it necessary to have a "pony" division...then go for it! Just don't mix them in with the regualar registry (whatever that may be these days).

It will take them lots of time and money to promote and have shows like the POA does. Time and $ the ApHC does not have.

Pat
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Well this is certainly turning into a heated debate. I hope those of us who do not adhere to "popular' opinion are not considered trolls just because we disagree. I believe debate is generally a good thing if kept respectful and decent. Who knows? Points may be made that one side or the other has not yet considered! That is the hope debate brings to the issue.

I think if you look at it factually all horses come from the same ancestors or at least the same few prehistoric creatures that developed into the equine. What sets them apart is breeding. In the wild natural selection keeps traits that are strong and weeds out those that are weak and reduce odds of survival. Unfortunately, when human beings become involved it generally revolves around one single thing - currency. Even when "need" and "use" is a factor, it always comes back to currency.

If you believe there is no difference between quarters, paints and appaloosas other than color then I don't see a need for any breed registries other than to collect dues. Do they all share SOME common ancestors? No doubt about that. However, at some point you have to maintain "breed" integrity or change your goals. You can't call something a "breed" registry on the one hand and claim there are no differences between yours and two other breeds besides color on the other. It would be like saying Percherons, Belgians and Clydesdales are the same horse except for color!

If the people who breed and buy and sell Appaloosas, paints and quarter horses do not care about the bloodlines and only color, or lack thereof, then you also don't need breed registries. The only other useful purpose they would serve would be to track the age for who would care what the bloodlines were if they could be of 5 or more different breeds?

It seems to me the breed registries of more than the Appaloosa are selling out to what gets them more foals registered - period and without regard for the breed itself. Many QH owners are very upset with the changes in allowable white. I think the associations - just like their members, the breeders - are going where the money is and the breed be damned. It's a natural progression for people and it should be up to the Association to set rules that protect their breed and not cave in to every Tom Richard and Harry who wants this or that. Of course those are my own opinions and observations and are worth about what you paid for them to all but me.

I also think that Appaloosas are continually picked on when there are just as many crap and mega crap foundation Quarter Horse stallions, Arabian stallions and probably every other breed out there that people go ga-ga over. I do get tired of the bad examples being pointed out as if that is the only type of Appaloosa that isn't 90%+ quarter horse out there. And that it is the only type of Appaloosa that has ever existed. I also get tired of the attitude that if there is no huge C of a butt, it's not quality. That is not true. At least I don't think it is true. When you feel as I and many others do, the whole subject gets weary and heavy. The popularity of these quarter horses is so great that no breed registry is going to fight the trend and those that attempt to do so are cast in such a negative light. I just don't understand why there isn't room for them all. Just the word "foundation" sets so many tongues to wagging regardless of breed! That word does not mean crap necessarily though granted there is a lot of foundation crap around in all the breeds.

Another problem with "quality" that really gripes me is it is so dependent upon the observer! The people who breed, own, sell, ride, show and raise the Beefed up Halter horses that can't remain sound because of their tiny feet BELIEVE that is a quality horse! I don't. Same is true of other FADS out there. Associations are supposed to see through that kind of popularity and do something to protect the breed. I feel they are all pretty much failing. All seem to be tweaking what is allowed in their breed and it seems most of it is revenue generated. In another very important area, none of them seem to care about the recognizable and preventable diseases in their stock unless it starts costing the breeders money in sales. It should be the other way around! They should be proactive and make their breed the best it can possibly be in all areas. I know that is a bit idealistic and will NEVER happen but it is what I believe SHOULD happen. The whole thing is really very depressing when you think about it.

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