I'm confused... Paint genetics HELP PLEASE

[horsetrainer89]

I am not quiet sure on this one. Pictures would help a ton. The coloring is a little weird, so please put up one picture of her whole body that shows off her whole body and allows us to see the tail colors. Graying out generally occurs at 5-7, so she could potentially be carrying the gray gene.

F.Y.I. crysann, sabino is a type of overo. The types of overos are frame(which is the only type that carries the lethal white gene), sabino, and splash. I agree with the part that she does not have quiet enough sabino in her to be a tovero although she has quiet a bit.

[bfre49849]

http://tubeimage.com/viewer.php?file=cle3mm28ykv65vyh6jf7-Solano-Double-D-Boss.jpg

Here's a link to a picture that I had showing her color. Unfortunately, it doesn't show her tail. I'll have to get a few more this weekend.[/img]

[one okie gal]

ok, I'm told that grey cannot skip a generation. So, I went to look at the progeny of the dam, How D Wonder Woman. Six foals listed and only one has a color listed, How D Wonder Boy who is listed as grey.

Now if grey cannot skip and the dam is grey, then grey is a possibility for your mare.

89, be a little more careful with quit, quite and quiet. Mis-use distorts or destroys what you are trying to say.

Also, Sabino is not confined to the same gene as frame or splash. It can come from other locus, not just the extension locus. The question of frame enters with the dam of Cocoa Jet, Cocoa Reine. See my other post regarding the question of frame genetics and maximum white sabino.

[horsetrainer89]

My bad on the misspelling. I meant to have quite, but I was right in the fact that I am not a quiet person. LOL! Anyways, the picture to me looks as if she has greying around her eyes and if she does have black hairs in her tail not to mention some greying in her mane for such a young mare and she clearly is a sorrel, then my guess is that she is greying out on ya. That picture looks to be in the winter though so that coat can be a little deceiving. Example of what I mean: roans generally, but not all of the time, turn a solid color in the winter, but once they shed out, their body is generally silver and they have a solid head and legs. Posting newer pics would be awesome, but do it when you have time. No rush!

[bfre49849]

I was able to load some new pics of Atta that really show her color (albeit, with her winter coat still mostly intact). The gray color on her rump is actually winter dirt that hasn't worked its way free yet - hey, we still have some snow on the ground

http://www.kodakgallery.com/Slideshow.jsp?collid=26136423411.537528958111.1209943192847&mode=fromshare&conn_speed=1&collid_list=26136423411.537528958111.1209943192847:&img_size=5&trans_delay=3000&trans_enabled=true&conn_speed=1&mode=fromshare&UV=17652190924_744638958111

You can clearly see a very pronounced black, flaxen and red colored tail. Other than that, she's a redhead.

Any thoughts?

The genetic test results should be in this week.

Thanks!!

[horsetrainer89]

Ok, what you have is just your basic old sorrel. The darkening of the tail is not actually black, but it is more of a really dark red color. My mare has some of those in the inner part of her tail like your horse does and she to is sorrel. Now I don't really see any chance for her to gray out now that I actually got to see what the tail looked like. So yeah, don't worry about it. Sorrels tend to get that, but let me know what the test actually determines on your horse because it could be different for your horse.

[nrhareiner]

I will make this really eassy. Homozygous is simply 2 do the same genes on the same alleio. This trate will always show in the resulting foal. Hetrozygous is 2 differnt genes on the same alleo. This trate will only show on average 50% of the time on the resulting foal.

So a red bassed horse is Homozygous red can not be anything ealse. It is only recessive to Black but is homozygous. Black being dominant to red can be homozygous or hetrozygous and still show. You can have a red horse who is Homozygous for the aggotie which is important to know if you are trying for say a black or groula horse however if you breed to a red based horse it will not matter as the agoite only acts on black.

The differance in Creamello and Perlieno is not a dilute but a double delute. If the cream is Hetrozygous then you have a pally or Buckskin if they are Homozygous for the cream that is where you get the creamelo or perleno. Given the fact that they carrie the agotie if you are talking a black bassed horse if you are talking a red bassed horse it dose not show or matter until you start breeding.

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[bfre49849]

Ok, the genetic test lab results are in....

She is ee (homozygous for red - i.e., she shouldn't be able to produce any BLACK), she is aa (homozygous recessive for agouti - i.e., she is not carrying any agouti which would result in a black foal as long as the stud didn't throw an A into the mix), crcr (homozygous - not carrying any dilution factor). That said, I'm not sure how she's producing a high percentage of black hair strands in her tail. There's more to this than that which meets the eye (said another way, there are most likely a few more genes in play that have not yet been identified and mapped).

[nrhareiner]

That is not uncommun in red bassed horses. The hairs are not black as in a black bassed horse they are just a very deep chestnut color. I have several red bassed horses (Sorrals and Red Duns) that have black looking hairs not only in their tails but also on their legs.


As a red horse (Sorral/chestnut) she in and of her self will NEVER produce anything but Red bassed horses. The sire will have to through in the color to change that fact. Bred to a Sorrel all you will ever get is sorrel/chestnut (Red Based)

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