4 Yr old APHA stallion

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:30 am Post subject:

Oh and what does me asking what type of new reining saddle that I should buy and being rude have anything in common? That one was not clear to me.

RatherbRidin' · Weanling Joined: 06 Feb 2006 Posts: 9

Hrrr-----HRmmmm

hey guys remember me Shocked

I'm going to stay out of the argument.. although the differences in opinions are interesting..

I am interested to know what type of excerises are suitable for building his back end at this beginer stage of his training, I don't have access to any hills at the moment but am hoping to have him out on the trails soon.
so what do you guys recomend?

Thanks

horsewoman1965 · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:51 pm Post subject:

Excellant post Heidi. You type that in a hurry? I've never seen you with that many typos Laughing

For that matter, in any training with horses, taking it slow usually will result in a better outcome. It takes alot longer but is very worth it in the end.
Basics bascis basics!!!
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dctrainingandlessons · Very Active Member Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 548

trainer89, I'm only going to jump in this one time and say this, but I say it and mean it. You are very condescending for a person of your age and experience. The post about reining saddles was rude IMO because in the topic title you had to point out that you only wanted "real" and not "fake" reiner's opinions. I thought that was pretty high and mighty right there. Are you a NRHA reiner? Are you a pro? What makes you a "real" reiner and not a fake one? Then, when someone with a lot of experience comes on to help you out, you make yourself sound so awesome by going on about rough-out saddles and how you move in the saddle, and on and on. In my opinion, a real serious reiner would never consider a circle y saddle but a beginning reiner would. It's widely known in the reining world which saddles are good and which aren't. Circle Y makes some great entry level show saddles, trail saddles, and I know their barrel saddles are popular with some crowds, but all in all, they don't make highly competitive equipment in my opinion.

Secondly, in every subject you are just very brassy and bold. You are always trying to take control and act as if YOU are the professional at it all, you have been there and done that, no matter what it is. Now, I may be wrong here, but if I've read correctly you are a youngster. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all. We have and have had some great young posters on this board who can share idea's and learn from those of us posters who have just been around longer, and in the same aspect us older folks can learn new things from them as well. But, when you are young the best thing you can do for yourself is keep your darn mouth shut sometimes and take all the advice you can get. If it's free, why not take it?

Now you can sit and talk until you're blue in the face about how experienced you are, but believe me you are not. My lifelong horse mentor is going on 80 years old, has bred and trained some of this nation's top halter and racing QH lines for years on end. He has known some of the QH breed's most significant sires by their pet names and stood at their sides in their stalls. He is the best darn horseman I know and as close as I've ever saw to a true horse whisperer (and I've met Monty Roberts personally while he worked with my horse) and this guy will tell anyone that he learns something new every day. Every day a horse will teach him something that he'd never known before, and that you can never consider yourself an expert because it would take many lifetimes to truely KNOW the equine inside and out. His best advice to me when I left to go off to college in this particular study: Take in all you can, good advice and bad advice, learn from your mistakes and the mistakes that others make and never get too high on your horse. Snubbing someone by thinking you know it all only hurts you because you are limiting your capabilities to learn from them. Even stupid beginning horse people can teach you something if you open your ears to hear them.

Heck, I'm 26 years into horses now and in the grand scheme of things, I guess I'm just a stupid beginner too. But I tell ya what, you aren't going to get ahead any faster by skipping around this board and playing the know it all you're famous for. If you want everyone to kiss your rear and tell you how smart you are, you should probably open up your own forum and invite a bunch of kids to join so you can preach to the choir there. Cuz girl, I know for damn sure, a lot of the crap you spit out left and right is just that, crap. Give us a break!

Ratherb, any kind of un-level riding surfaces will work well to build up your stallion, who I think looks like a fine mount. Keep up the good work starting him slow, it'll pay off loads in the future when he's still sound at 20 and maybe even 30. Give yourself a pat on the back! Very Happy

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nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

Ya I have gotten into a bad habit of not proof reading my posts. I have quite a few things going on here and come in to relaxe for a few read some posts then head back out. So nice out. So many things to do. They are calling for more bad weather tonight and over the next few days so I have been out on the tractor getting pastures mowed down a bit. Building a deck by the pool and such.

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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject:

dctrainingandlessons- ROFLMAO!!!! Did you really say Monty Roberts? If you honesty believe that trapping a horse between gates to trim its ears or for anything else, then yes you can call yourself a beginner. Monty Roberts is a joke. His training sucks. I would never let him train any of my horses! That is my TRUE opinion.

As for the reining saddle thing. I wanted a real reiners opinion and not someone who didn't know anything about reining saddles to just post something. I was mainly looking for nrhareiner's opinion and I got it. I have looked at all of those other types of saddles, but never found one I liked. Then she posted a site I haven't heard of and I found one I liked better than the circle ys.

Yeah I am young! I haven't got as much experience as many of you, but I have been in the horse industry my whole ENTIRE life, so I have a pretty large amount of experience. I am willing to learn, but if I have something that works for me, I am going to let others know about it. I don't take charge of anything. I just let the person that's asking know what I do. It is just the way I do it and I like to let others know how I do things. You have that same right as I do!

No I am not an NRHA reiner, I am an AQHA reiner. I will be an NRHA reiner soon, which is also why I didn't care what my saddle was. Anything works in AQHA.

Truthfully a lot of what I say isn't crap. Good for you for having an 80 yr old mentor! I am glad you have a person to follow and ask for help. Those are always wonderful to have when you get yourself in a mess.

nrhareiner · Member Joined: 14 May 2005 Posts: 154 Location: Ohio

Acturally AQHA is more on saddles then NRHA. Do to the fact that AQHA judges tend to just a number of differnt events and are NOT sanctioned by NRHA they really do not look for the same things that an NRHA judge will and sorry to say that a saddle is one of them just like in WP. I have reined in NRHA with a rope saddle back in the old days when I was begining. Saddles only need to be there. Unless of corse you are Stacy doing a freestyle routeen then you do not need a saddle or bridle. Really saves on tack cost.

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dctrainingandlessons · Very Active Member Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 548

OK, I've erased two paragraphs here in your favor Megan, please don't make me regret it.

Edited to add: Megan, I'm really trying to ignore many of your posts and hope that your seemingly know-it-all ways only seem to come off that way.. That you don't mean to sound like that. I think a lot of us are feeling this way. I know you are young and I am really biting my tongue on saying many things because of this. You really need to learn to respect your elders better and try to keep an open mind and a zipped mouth at times. I'm sorry to come off in a rude way to you, but I feel this may be the only way you're going to get it through your head. Please try to start getting along better, which may sometimes mean keeping your mouth shut, but you don't want to be making enemies in the horse world by acting like a know it all at a young age. There's nothing flattering about that. You are a trainer and a stallion owner and you need the best reputation you can get, which means to not step on anyone's toes. If I had a fine mare to breed to your stallion, and met you and had you act like a know it all to me, I would laugh as I was walking away. Leaving you without the $600 stud fee, and without a quality mare that could produce well for your stallion. I've had my share of nice QH's, and even owned some great reiners, so I'm not just some dumb arab gal. I deal with people every day in the horse world that talk and act just like you and it drives me nuts. There are people I refuse to give lessons to because they act this way or their parents act this way. I've turned away training horses because their owners acted so big that they should have been doing the work themselves. The fact of the matter is that there are enough a$$holes in the horse world as it is, and especially in the AQHA (I know, AHA isn't much better), but a friendly smile and an open ear will get you much farther in the long run than acting as if you know everything. My biggest business tip to you is to listen and ask questions more, act interested, and be helpful and friendly to everyone. Don't make enemies because one ticked off person will go tell ten of their friends and quite frankly the horse industry isn't booming enough to let ANYONE walk away from you with a discusted opinion of you as a business woman, young or old. Being young, you have a lot more on your plate as far as people's expectations go, believe me, I was there not too terribly long ago and I remember how it is clearly. You need to be better, you need to work twice as hard as the rest of us to get people to take you seriously. Good luck to you and I wish you only the best.
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one okie gal · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:01 am Post subject:

Hi bRidin!

Well, I gotta say I like your boy. Nice well defined jaw, over-all a nicely shaped head. Do we call that marking on the head a war bonnet and shield? I gotta say I like the paint horse, couldn't decide which color was prettiest so took several. Kinda like a sharp dressed man they are.

Please do check his HYPP status. (I have my fingers crossed for ya)

I think his hip is better than ok and work will only make it look better. With any luck you will find him to be a willing worker. All of the horses I've been around out of the Impressive lines have been incredibly smart, so if that holds true for him you'll have to keep him involved in your game so he doesn't invent too many of his own. (ya, we've got a porch climbing bag opener on my brother's farm, always interested in helping to change a tire, etc.)

It's definitely better to move slow in the training. I'd a million times rather have a sane horse in good condition than a hot-headed, crazy acting brat of a horse that was rushed along way too fast. And that is without the physical problems invited by rushing a too young horse along at a too rapid pace.

Now as far as his pedigree, hmmm. Well, a lot of nice names that are well known, but they are a little way back. Doesn't mean the horses up close are unknowns or not quality, just means they may not have been campaigned or that no one has looked up their information and posted it to the pedigree page. You might google some of the names and see if you find anything.

Good luck with him!

horsetrainer89 · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:53 am Post subject:

dc- You are right in a lot of aspects. I do seem to come off as a know it all on this board, so I am sorry for that. I will work on that. I am not really like that in person or over email for that matter. It is just forums that I tend to do that on. You are also right in the fact that I need to respect my elders. Sorry for that to. That is something that I REALLY need to work on.

Now as for the AQHA thing. You couldn't have been more right with the a$$hole people, but I am not one of them. I am the person at shows that is cracking up jokes and having a good time. I try to find others like that. I hate the stuck up people there. They drive me nuts. I go to shows to meet people, make friends, and show off my horses. I never get upset over anything really. If my horse messes up, I know it was my fault and not my horses. I wont hound on them. I am one of the good AQHA showers.

I do ask questions. I never really have a whole lot of questions though. I try to figure it out myself, but if I can't, then I go and ask for help.

And people taking me seriously thing; I have found that to be very hard, not only with my own parents, but a lot of other people. I have told some of you that my colt has never bucked, even on his first ride. Well my parents keep saying that, "just wait, he will sooner or later." Yeah he may buck later, but they never give me the benefit of that doubt that I have prepped him and trained him well enough to not buck. I am always ready for a buck or anything else, but he never wants to nor rear.

I will try to work harder to be not much of a know it all person and respect people more.

horsewoman1965 · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:19 am Post subject:

Bravo! It takes a mighty big person to say what you just did.
Horses are like anything else in life, there is always so much more to learn.
I do agree with sticking with what works for you as far as products or feed goes. Just make sure you cover and go over and over the basics with your horse/horses. You will benefit and so will they.
So much of what you said about showing and the shows, is how I feel. I am there for a good time, not drama. I seek out friendly people and Hate Evil or Very Mad

snobs (and there are plenty of those). I will be civil to anyone and willing to help a hand if needed but refuse to be treated like trash.
Respect is a very hard thing for anyone to come by and it's very easy to lose (kinda like a reputation). Doesn't matter who the people are.
And yes, any breeder, trainer, or stallion owner better be friendly if they want any business.
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horsetrainer89 · Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject:

bullsie · Active Member Joined: 26 Jan 2005 Posts: 200

RatherbRidin', if your horse is just starting under saddle, may I suggest just gentle work. Check with some of the dressage trainers in the area for instructions on making him move out better from behind. That is slow and gradual and usually takes quite a bit of time before strength is built up. You will find that it will help his balance, mental state, and his over all well being.

NZ Appaloosas · Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject:

Megan--kudos to you for that. That was a huge step. Being taken seriously is hard, in any industry, when you're young, but you don't do yourself any favours by getting defensive.

RBR--have you had a chance to get photos of your boy unsaddled? Those will be a lot more helpful in critiquing than tacked up photos.

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