How does a pedigree get posted on this site?

[Lucilla]

How does a pedigree of one of my mares get posted on this site? How does it get posted without the owners authorization?
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[Kathy]

A lot of the information is out on the internet.

Also, when people go to the various Association sites, and look up info, pedigree info, along with other info, is a benefit for paying the membership fee.

They can put it on here so other people have the info if they are researching a line also.


Kathy
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[Lucilla]

How can someone post information regarding my mare anywhere. I'm currently in a court case regarding this issue. I wouldn't look up anyone's information and post it. It is for reading only and not to be copied and pasted elsewhere. I will check with the Arabian Horse Registry tomorrow.
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[Peggy]

Lucilla just as an example. All Quarter horses pedigrees and points/awards are available on AQHA website to members. I have frequently looked up a horse there (part of my membership perks) and then added it here for future study and to see the extended pedigree. I don't know how it works with the Arabian registry, but with AQHA it is public record.

[Lucilla]

That's fine and that is what the registry is for. Not to copy and paste.
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[RA]

Did your mare belong to someone else before you?

Does your mare have any foals that have been sold or raised by other owners?

Have you offered your mare for sale?

Theres lots of reasons people add pedigrees her.

It could be the owner of your horses sire or dam listed your horse here when listing the sire or dams progney.

THe pedigrees here arenot copied and pasted here they have to be put in horse by horse.
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[Peggy]

What's the big secret.

I personally would be very angry to not be able to look up the facts of a horses performance/pedigree before buying/breeding. Without that we are unable to verify what someone is telling us, so not able to make an informed decision about purchasing or breeding.

For instance just last year someone was advertising a stallion nationally with a speed index the horse did not earn. His actual speed index was found on the AQHA website and the owners were exposed.

[Kathy]

I don't know if it is the same or different for your breed of horse, but for the different ones we have and research, QH, APPY and Paint, this is info that has to be made available to anyone who has a membership or pays the Association. I don't cut and paste, I look up and then add the info. I am not sure what the difference is really.

Even if the horse has no progeny, if it is performing, it will be available info, if it is racing, it will be available info.

The Associations list and make available for members, the information of any sire and dams record that is registered. Pedigrees, progeny, performance....and so on. It will make available the progeny records also. It will also list owners and transfers. No phone numbers or addresses, just name and state. It is needed info to be able to sell or buy, or be informed about selling or buying.

I am not sure what the problem is with showing a pedigree? It is a marketing tool, and at shows, part of it is shared over the speakers.

I am not arguing your reason, but can you share why you don't want the info available? How would you research your own horses pedigree if the info was not available.

Kathy
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[Inyureye]

I don't think that a horse's pedigree is a private matter. It's public record, just as a car's registration and ownership is public record, just as our own driving history is public record, etc. If it wasn't, breeders and owners of horses wouldn't be able to get very far in their businesses. If I come across a horse's, any horse's pedigree from a verifiably accurate source, such as his papers or such as his breeder's records, or his registration data, I can input it to the database we have here, for our use. Its just the way it is. Its what the database at this website was created for.
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[Lucilla]

I purchased my mare when she was six months old. I fell in love with her the day she was born. She is now 15 years old. I only advertise with arabhorse.com. The Arabian Horse Registry has put out DVD's on Pedigrees which one has to purchase. I do that every couple of years.
She was never advertised prior to me purchasing her.
She has had get who have placed in the top 10's at the US Nationals.
I am a very private person and my horses don't race. I think that unless I put it up there or out there it's an invasion of privacy.
I don't believe that you can randomly pull up someones driving record
unless you are trying to insure them or you are an officer of some type.
It's no big secret it's the principle.
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[Lucilla]

No way no how can you go to the DMV and pull up another person registration. It is not available to the public.
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[Kathy]

Not to argue, but in Iowa, you can view a persons court record of about anything unless it has to do with a minor, and some of those records are available too. You can view them online by name and or county. Business filings also. It is all public so it is just there as a public record.

I even looked up one person who had been selling horses to see if there were any filings against him....there were.

It is also a way I kept my son from riding with a "friend" one time. He did not believe that this kid did not have a valid license and I was able to prove it because of all the outstanding tickets, I knew the kid could not have a valid drivers license. It does serve a purpose.

Hope you are able to get what ever answers you need in your case.
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[Lucilla]

Kathy,
I don't know how you managed to pull that off. You could never do that in California without a court order, the minors parents could end up suing you.
The county police, highway patrol, sheriff and DMV in California will not disclose what vehicles a person owns or give out police records on tickets a gerson has unless you have a court order or he or she is a felon and then it would be hard to get unless you paid for it on the internet.
I have tried all of this stuff and you just have a heck of a time getting any information like that.
It doesn't count in court if you get it illegally.
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[Lucilla]

person, spelling error, sorry.
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[Kathy]

Sorry , let me clarify my answer.

You can NOT find out what someone is driving, you can see if they have had tickets, warrants, law suits, if they have paid thier fines.

Not what they drive.

As for the minor/age issue, if it is public record, there would be nothing to be sued over.

I know other states have the same thing, it is like all of the info from the assessor is online in most states. You can look up what property someone owns, value and taxes online. It is really not that shocking, these are all things available on a walk in to any county court house.

Kathy
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